Sunday, 2008-12-21

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[2008/12/21 04:03:24] <Binford> any1 here?
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[2008/12/21 04:18:52] <ohadlevy> sure binford
[2008/12/21 04:19:12] <Binford> u up late too?
[2008/12/21 04:26:23] <ohadlevy> its the middle of the day here
[2008/12/21 04:26:42] <Binford> here being?
[2008/12/21 04:30:49] <ohadlevy> singapore
[2008/12/21 04:31:27] <Binford> So its Monday Dec 22 there?
[2008/12/21 04:32:59] <ohadlevy> no, still sunday
[2008/12/21 04:33:09] <Binford> my iphone says its 5:30pm there
[2008/12/21 04:33:21] <ohadlevy> sounds about right
[2008/12/21 04:33:34] <Binford> 13 hours ahead of me
[2008/12/21 04:34:08] <Binford> ohadlevy doesnt sound Asian - sounds Israeli - hows you end up in Singapore?
[2008/12/21 04:34:29] <ohadlevy> moving around :)
[2008/12/21 04:35:01] <Binford> I ask bc I am fascinated by the idea of working expatriate
[2008/12/21 04:35:25] <ohadlevy> its already my 5th year now
[2008/12/21 04:35:43] <Binford> but seems like US Citizens get little chance
[2008/12/21 04:35:52] <ohadlevy> why?
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[2008/12/21 04:36:37] <Binford> from what ive read, visa requiremments, etc are not to US CITIZENS ADVANTAGE
[2008/12/21 04:37:04] <Binford> where you from if I may ask?
[2008/12/21 04:37:14] <ohadlevy> Originally from Israel
[2008/12/21 04:37:32] <Binford> LOL good guess on my part then
[2008/12/21 04:39:34] <Binford> So how does an Israeli get a job in Singapore?
[2008/12/21 04:39:53] <ohadlevy> usually, its best if you find a company who wants to move you around :)
[2008/12/21 04:41:42] <Binford> I'm sure - but since I'm more or less at the high end of the cost for a person - unlikely
[2008/12/21 04:42:35] <Binford> Though with recent econmic turmoil - who knows if thats true anymore
[2008/12/21 04:43:26] <Binford> But, from what I have read, not many countries have things like our H1-B visa
[2008/12/21 04:44:11] <Binford> certainly not EU countries - not sure about Asian? Do you know?
[2008/12/21 04:45:42] <Binford> ohadlevy, u still there?
[2008/12/21 04:46:18] <ohadlevy> brb
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[2008/12/21 05:28:41] <jamesturnbull> Binford: lots of countries have H1-B equivs
[2008/12/21 05:29:38] <Binford> they do - but most exempt the US from being eligible - at least when I looked into it it was that way
[2008/12/21 05:30:02] <jamesturnbull> Binford: really? The UK don't
[2008/12/21 05:30:10] <jamesturnbull> Binford: nor doe Australia or Japan
[2008/12/21 05:30:30] <Binford> Not sure about Australia or Japan but UK totally does
[2008/12/21 05:32:20] <jamesturnbull> Binford: really? I had US friends on the UK Work Permit scheme
[2008/12/21 05:33:33] <Binford> When I looked it was onerous
[2008/12/21 05:33:47] <jamesturnbull> Binford: not if you have a job offer from an EU company
[2008/12/21 05:33:55] <jamesturnbull> Binford: but YMMV
[2008/12/21 05:34:09] <Binford> hey james thanks for all your work BTW on puppet
[2008/12/21 05:34:21] <jamesturnbull> Binford: US system on the other hand... :) I applied for an E-3 - now that was paper work
[2008/12/21 05:34:34] <Binford> E3?
[2008/12/21 05:34:48] <jamesturnbull> Binford: Australian-only working visa for the US
[2008/12/21 05:35:06] <jamesturnbull> Binford: part of our Free Trade Agreement
[2008/12/21 05:35:45] <Binford> When I looked into New Zealaqnd - I had to make over $635K/year US to be considered
[2008/12/21 05:36:28] <jamesturnbull> Binford: NZ is hard but depends on the visa
[2008/12/21 05:37:05] <Binford> Seems impossible to me
[2008/12/21 05:37:07] <jamesturnbull> Binford: they don't have a big skilled migrant programme I understand - some IBm guys were bitching about it to me a while back
[2008/12/21 05:38:12] <Binford> IMO, I should be able to go wherever, and if my skills are in demand and of value - then I could be paid a wage appropriate to where I am
[2008/12/21 05:39:15] <Binford> Of course, I understand theres a huge difference to someone like me with 20 years of *IX experience etc vs unskilled labor
[2008/12/21 05:39:15] <huggie> Binford: you would have gotten away with it if only for those pesky politicians?
[2008/12/21 05:39:25] <jamesturnbull> Binford: though looking at the NZ immigration site - it looks like all you need is a NZ job offer
[2008/12/21 05:40:17] <Binford> kinda moot now anyway - i bought a house '
[2008/12/21 05:40:28] <jamesturnbull> Binford: well that's fun too... :P
[2008/12/21 05:40:36] <jamesturnbull> Binford: what prompted the original idea?
[2008/12/21 05:40:55] <Binford> with current housing prices made sense to
[2008/12/21 05:41:21] <Binford> A trip through europe in 2000
[2008/12/21 05:41:55] <Binford> a Walkabout as you'd say from Vienna to Prague
[2008/12/21 05:42:17] <Binford> I fell in love with Prague
[2008/12/21 05:43:02] <Binford> well, if I am gonna be 100% honest, I fell in love with how easy it was to get laid in Prague then
[2008/12/21 05:43:33] <Binford> but irregardless of that, still a neat country and culture
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[2008/12/21 05:44:06] <Binford> their "velvet revolution" was still fresh
[2008/12/21 05:44:14] <jamesturnbull> Binford: nice place
[2008/12/21 05:44:19] <jamesturnbull> Binford: full of Americans though
[2008/12/21 05:44:35] <jamesturnbull> Binford: If I wanted that I'd move to Nashville :P
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[2008/12/21 05:44:44] <Binford> LOL
[2008/12/21 05:44:59] <Binford> I am from about 2 hours NW of Nashville
[2008/12/21 05:45:06] <Binford> born and raised
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[2008/12/21 05:45:27] <Binford> and been in Atlanta for 26 years
[2008/12/21 05:45:50] <Binford> Czech Republic is NOTHING LIKE the American South
[2008/12/21 05:46:04] <jamesturnbull> Binford: heh
[2008/12/21 05:46:08] <Binford> (except maybe in % of beautiful women)
[2008/12/21 05:46:11] <jamesturnbull> Binford: yeah real beer for one thing
[2008/12/21 05:46:53] <jamesturnbull> Binford: I won't diss the South any further though - you guys have it hard - I've eaten grits and heard country music
[2008/12/21 05:47:14] <Binford> LOL - what makes a beer "real"/
[2008/12/21 05:47:30] <Binford> and I guarantee - I can make grits you'd like
[2008/12/21 05:47:40] <Binford> LOL - what makes a beer "real"?
[2008/12/21 05:47:56] <jamesturnbull> Binford: real beer doesn't resemble water :P
[2008/12/21 05:48:24] <Binford> Or piss either
[2008/12/21 05:48:50] <jamesturnbull> Binford: true
[2008/12/21 05:49:45] <Binford> but that doesn]t mean you cant get a full bodied beer here - just means you chose to order mundane
[2008/12/21 05:50:31] <Binford> should I judge aussie beer based on Fosters?
[2008/12/21 05:51:05] <jamesturnbull> Binford: heh
[2008/12/21 05:51:12] <Binford> dont judge our best on budweiser, etc
[2008/12/21 05:51:26] <jamesturnbull> Binford: I enjoy teasing americans about it - luke gets riled up too
[2008/12/21 05:52:03] <Binford> LOL, I am not riled up - honestly I rarely drink beer - I am a wine collector though
[2008/12/21 05:52:06] <jamesturnbull> Binford: he insisted there is no good australian beer, the english insist no one can make "proper" beer like them, the germans say ditto, as do the dutch and the beligums - it's hilarous
[2008/12/21 05:52:27] <Binford> when Luke & teyo were in Austin they drank pretty mundane IIRC
[2008/12/21 05:53:09] <Binford> I do enjoy lambics, some ales
[2008/12/21 05:53:31] <jamesturnbull> Binford: we do make nice wine though
[2008/12/21 05:54:02] <Binford> some awesome reds coming out of Australia these days
[2008/12/21 05:54:33] <Binford> I was classically trained - so I tend to gravitate to Bordeaux and Burgundies
[2008/12/21 05:54:57] <Binford> (meritage in their California equivalents)
[2008/12/21 05:55:20] <Binford> but I have had some AMAZING Cab/Shir blends from Aus
[2008/12/21 05:55:22] <jamesturnbull> Binford: South Australian shiraz and cabernet sauvignon
[2008/12/21 05:55:31] <jamesturnbull> Binford: Penfolds do a nice line
[2008/12/21 05:55:41] <Binford> They do indeed
[2008/12/21 05:55:58] <jamesturnbull> Binford: now if I could afford a bottle or two of Grange every year
[2008/12/21 05:56:11] <Binford> LOL I just said you do some AWESOME Shiraz/Cab blends
[2008/12/21 05:56:26] <Binford> hear hear
[2008/12/21 05:56:52] <Binford> I just split a case of Opus with a buddy that about broke me
[2008/12/21 05:57:19] <jamesturnbull> Binford: oh and I've always wanted to try Petrus
[2008/12/21 05:57:21] <Binford> Is grange penfold's premium reserve?
[2008/12/21 05:58:07] <Binford> Ch Petrus will make you re-think what you thought merlot was
[2008/12/21 05:58:39] <jamesturnbull> Binford: http://www.penfolds.com/wines/luxury/ - yeah
[2008/12/21 05:58:55] <jamesturnbull> Binford: a little pricey for my tastes Petrus unfortunately
[2008/12/21 05:59:18] <Binford> Petrus is WAY overpriced
[2008/12/21 06:00:01] <Binford> As is all the top tier Bordeauxs
[2008/12/21 06:00:38] <Binford> IMO, that is - I mean any moron can drop $200-500 on a bottle of wine and be assured of getting a pretty good bottle
[2008/12/21 06:00:38] <jamesturnbull> Binford: add shipping to Oz and its outrageous
[2008/12/21 06:01:10] <Binford> but can you pick a $50/bottle Bordeaux that is close?
[2008/12/21 06:02:05] <Binford> For example: Vosnee Romanee is a Burgundy thats grown literally on the other side odf the hill as Domaine Romaine-Conti
[2008/12/21 06:02:18] <jamesturnbull> Binford: true
[2008/12/21 06:02:51] <Binford> the latter goes for $UPWARDS OF 1000/bottle - while the former can be had for $4-50
[2008/12/21 06:03:02] <Binford> err 40-50
[2008/12/21 06:03:12] <jamesturnbull> I've been drinking a lot of sancerre lately - very nice in summer - and less red
[2008/12/21 06:03:48] <Binford> sancerre = sauterne?
[2008/12/21 06:04:14] <Binford> wait - less red would not be sauterne at all
[2008/12/21 06:04:50] <jamesturnbull> I'm finding as I get older that sulphery wines really mess with my body
[2008/12/21 06:04:59] <jamesturnbull> sancerre = sauvgnon blanc
[2008/12/21 06:05:16] <jamesturnbull> loire valley mostly
[2008/12/21 06:05:52] <jamesturnbull> they make some pinot there too but mostly sauvignon blanc
[2008/12/21 06:06:03] <fujin> bunch of women
[2008/12/21 06:06:03] <Binford> I am 41, and still prefer a bold red
[2008/12/21 06:06:46] <fujin> ;>
[2008/12/21 06:08:05] <Binford> if I may - how old are you jamesturnbull ?
[2008/12/21 06:08:14] <jamesturnbull> fujin: nothing wrong with liking wine - not all of us want to drink bourbon and coke from a can :P
[2008/12/21 06:08:21] <jamesturnbull> Binford: we'll call it mid-thirties :)
[2008/12/21 06:09:10] <Binford> so is Luke still omn schedule to move to Portland this year?
[2008/12/21 06:09:12] <fujin> oh pissoff
[2008/12/21 06:09:24] <fujin> no need to get riled up guv
[2008/12/21 06:09:44] <jamesturnbull> Binford: I believe so
[2008/12/21 06:09:47] <fujin> I probably haven't found wine that's nice, yet. ;P
[2008/12/21 06:09:56] <Binford> fujin, who you mad at?
[2008/12/21 06:10:00] <jamesturnbull> fujin: I am smiling mate - each to their own - I am not a snob about these things
[2008/12/21 06:10:34] <Binford> i dont think me or james are riled up about anything
[2008/12/21 06:12:46] <fujin> tough crowd
[2008/12/21 06:12:59] * fujin sets mode -sarcasm fujin
[2008/12/21 06:13:19] <fujin> let's settle it over a deathmatch
[2008/12/21 06:13:47] <Binford> if DM in COd4 or Cod5 - I am GAME!
[2008/12/21 06:14:21] <fujin> oo, I've been meaning to give those a shot. ANy good?
[2008/12/21 06:14:33] <Binford> YEAH
[2008/12/21 06:14:47] <Binford> They what I keep a Windows box around for
[2008/12/21 06:14:50] <fujin> I hear the AC-130 stage in cod4 is splendid
[2008/12/21 06:15:07] <Binford> heh, I never played the SP
[2008/12/21 06:15:14] <fujin> ah.
[2008/12/21 06:16:07] <jamesturnbull> fujin: yeah it fun
[2008/12/21 06:16:16] <jamesturnbull> fujin: blam blam blam from the sky
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[2008/12/21 06:16:56] <fujin> :D
[2008/12/21 06:17:01] <fujin> jamesturnbull: wife bought me a 13" macbook for christmas!
[2008/12/21 06:17:04] <fujin> best. present. ever.
[2008/12/21 06:17:11] <fujin> well bought = allowed me to buy
[2008/12/21 06:17:28] <jamesturnbull> fujin: heh
[2008/12/21 06:17:45] <jamesturnbull> fujin: we don't do christmas but I can see the attraction of shiny new gadgets
[2008/12/21 06:17:57] <fujin> that's pretty much christmas, 'roun here
[2008/12/21 06:18:09] <fujin> beer + bbq + gadgets / shinies
[2008/12/21 06:18:11] <holoway> fujin: congrats on the macbook!
[2008/12/21 06:18:15] <fujin> holoway: ohhh snap!
[2008/12/21 06:18:19] <fujin> textmate coming my way~
[2008/12/21 06:18:36] <holoway> damn, son, you'll be editing like a mu'fucka! :)
[2008/12/21 06:18:53] <fujin> haha
[2008/12/21 06:19:02] <fujin> jamesturnbull: holoway is growing a set of dreadlocks too
[2008/12/21 06:19:21] <holoway> jamesturnbull: all around my male pattern baldness
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[2008/12/21 06:19:35] <jamesturnbull> holoway: perhaps hair extensions?
[2008/12/21 06:19:50] <jamesturnbull> I have a friend who dreadlocks end around his ankle
[2008/12/21 06:19:53] <holoway> jamesturnbull: that would be nice, but it would probably be more like plugs for a significant portion of my head
[2008/12/21 06:20:00] <fujin> *lol*
[2008/12/21 06:20:14] <jamesturnbull> holoway: I'm quietly balding - doesn't overly bother me
[2008/12/21 06:20:17] <fujin> jamesturnbull: there's a homeless guy who hangs around queen street in auckland that had a blanket of dreadlocks - unidread they call him
[2008/12/21 06:20:25] <fujin> had=has
[2008/12/21 06:20:41] <holoway> jamesturnbull: I'm totally into it - makes getting a haircut easy, just say the right combination of numbers
[2008/12/21 06:20:56] <jamesturnbull> holoway: the only thing is having to wear a hat or put sunscreen on my head
[2008/12/21 06:21:03] <jamesturnbull> holoway: sunburnt head == not fun
[2008/12/21 06:21:05] <holoway> jamesturnbull: indeed
[2008/12/21 06:22:14] <jenza> heh that guy
[2008/12/21 06:22:18] <jenza> fujin I think he sleeps on it
[2008/12/21 06:22:26] <jenza> Used to see him in Parnell a bit
[2008/12/21 06:22:48] <jamesturnbull> that's ... suitably gross
[2008/12/21 06:23:54] <holoway> alright, you crazy christmas in the summer people
[2008/12/21 06:23:55] <holoway> have a nice day
[2008/12/21 06:29:48] <Volcane> holoway: ah its functional, but I've not finished it cos i wasnt sure yet how to deal with all the various bits of data i have currently in my manifests with case statements etc. But i solved that one this week so might finish off the tool soon
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[2008/12/21 06:34:06] <Volcane> used to ahve like $nameserver = $location ? { "layeredtech" => "x.x.x.x", ...... }
[2008/12/21 06:34:16] <Volcane> and since i have kit in 15 locations now and more all the time
[2008/12/21 06:34:27] <Volcane> i was forever grepping and finding and extending this stuff
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[2008/12/21 06:34:36] <Volcane> so had to come up with a plan for that
[2008/12/21 06:35:05] <fujin> aw, I was just cookin' http://junglist.gen.nz/files/lilholoway.jpg
[2008/12/21 06:35:37] <fujin> WHHaaat
[2008/12/21 06:35:39] <fujin> yyyeaaahh
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[2008/12/21 18:27:46] <scooby2> is ruby-augeas required for 0.24.7?
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[2008/12/21 19:16:46] <Volcane> scooby2: puppet doesnt require it, but the EPEL people saw it fit to artificually inflate the requirements
[2008/12/21 19:17:03] <Volcane> scooby2: get the SRPM and remove the require line
[2008/12/21 19:19:32] <scooby2> k
[2008/12/21 19:19:38] <scooby2> thank you
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[2008/12/21 20:01:18] <infinity_> if lsbdistrelease has a value of 3.9, can it be matched in a case statement with 3 ?
[2008/12/21 20:01:54] <infinity_> or do i need to use if > 3 and < 4
[2008/12/21 20:09:58] <Uranellus> hello, is there a nagios plugin you know of, that is able to check wether a puppetmaster is running?
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[2008/12/21 20:16:36] <jamesturnbull> Uranellus: http://hg.koumbit.net/module-puppet/file/tip/files/check_puppet
[2008/12/21 20:17:17] <jamesturnbull> Uranellus: never used it myself - easy enough to use an existign nagios plugin to monitor the puppetmasterd process, or use monit+nagios etc
[2008/12/21 20:18:16] <jamesturnbull> Uranellus: but check_procs should work fine if you onyl care about the puppetmasterd process
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[2008/12/21 20:26:59] <Uranellus> jamesturnbull: thanks alot, I'll try both ..
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[2008/12/21 20:42:56] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: ping
[2008/12/21 20:43:00] <ohadlevy> pong
[2008/12/21 20:43:20] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: I updated your ticket with an idea
[2008/12/21 20:44:07] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull: thanks, but I cant do that just yet, as I'm using a 24-4 master
[2008/12/21 20:44:16] <ohadlevy> or masters
[2008/12/21 20:44:46] <ohadlevy> and in general, why should it matter for the packages?
[2008/12/21 20:46:52] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: well that is if it's actually the packages causing the issue
[2008/12/21 20:47:51] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull: what Luke and I found out that each package is being evaluated locally for about 0.06 seconds
[2008/12/21 20:48:09] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull: I've copied over the old providers from 24-4, but the performance remains the same
[2008/12/21 20:48:29] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: okay - that doesn't make a lot of sense - you have a lot of packages right?
[2008/12/21 20:48:38] <ohadlevy> yeah
[2008/12/21 20:49:14] <ohadlevy> so it could be we have the same problems with other provides, but we just dont feel it as I do
[2008/12/21 20:49:23] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: can you clarify something? you have a 0.24.4 master and 0.24.6 clients you're testing?
[2008/12/21 20:49:38] <ohadlevy> I have 1300 packages * 0.06 =~ 80 seconds
[2008/12/21 20:49:48] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull:yes
[2008/12/21 20:50:09] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: what happens with a 0.24.6/7 master in the mix? is it possible to test that?
[2008/12/21 20:50:12] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull: but I also testing with 0.24-sever
[2008/12/21 20:50:19] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull: tested
[2008/12/21 20:50:25] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull: same performance
[2008/12/21 20:51:32] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: so a 0.24.6/7 master with an 0.24.6/7 client gets you the same performance hit of 80 odd seconds in the Package type?
[2008/12/21 20:51:47] <ohadlevy> sorry - tested with 024-6 server
[2008/12/21 20:51:57] <ohadlevy> yes
[2008/12/21 20:52:07] <ohadlevy> it looks like a pure client problem
[2008/12/21 20:52:35] * jamesturnbull tries to puzzle out what might have changed
[2008/12/21 20:53:18] <ohadlevy> I've tried using files from 24-4 on the 24-7, yum and rpm provides, yumhelper etc
[2008/12/21 20:53:19] <jamesturnbull> so the profiling you've done is a 0.24.6 client to a 0.24.4 master?
[2008/12/21 20:53:25] <ohadlevy> yes
[2008/12/21 20:53:37] <ohadlevy> and I'm just about to send the 0.24-4 profiler as well
[2008/12/21 20:54:03] <ohadlevy> that is when it would finish.....
[2008/12/21 20:54:09] <jamesturnbull> thanks that'd be great
[2008/12/21 20:54:34] <ohadlevy> can anyone else confirm that packages checks are longer ?
[2008/12/21 20:54:42] <ohadlevy> you can see it with the --evaltrace
[2008/12/21 20:56:27] <jamesturnbull> I can't replicate it with 0.24.7 but I've not tested extensively yet - only just started to have a look
[2008/12/21 20:57:36] <ohadlevy> if you run it with --evaltrace, you should see something like :info: /:main/.../Package[OpenIPMI]: Evaluated in 0.07 seconds
[2008/12/21 20:57:55] <ohadlevy> in 0.24-4 it was always 0.00 seconds
[2008/12/21 20:58:41] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: I'll have to wait until I get home to try more - will add any findings to the ticket
[2008/12/21 20:59:01] <ohadlevy> thanks
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[2008/12/21 21:03:24] <ohadlevy> is there any ubuntu hardy 24-6 or 24-7 packages, I could give it a quick test '
[2008/12/21 21:04:20] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: not sure - maybe ask thom about it - he does the debian ones - i don't think there is an Ubuntu maintainer
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[2008/12/21 21:11:14] <ohadlevy> jamesturnbull: just did a quick test on an ubuntu machine and it doesnt seem to be effected
[2008/12/21 21:17:04] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: okay - my main test bed is Ubuntu
[2008/12/21 21:17:29] <jamesturnbull> ohadlevy: I'll run up some RHEL - is that what you're using? - or CentOS VMs tonight
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[2008/12/21 21:36:35] <ohadlevy> RHE4
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[2008/12/21 22:09:33] <Damm> I wish I could request puppet to install packages
[2008/12/21 22:09:36] <Damm> it's just not possible
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[2008/12/21 22:12:08] * Damm uses newer packages that are just not worth trying to rpm up
[2008/12/21 22:12:23] <Damm> that and some custom apache2 stuff that doesn't compile sanely
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[2008/12/21 22:27:31] <tom_paton> hi guys, i'm trying to get puppet working for the first time and i've got stuck. got a simple manifest working that created a /tmp/testfile, but can't copy a file to the client using file { ... source=> }. I get the error "Cannot access mount[files]". I guess it's something simple, any hints?
[2008/12/21 22:28:30] <fujin> have you added the fileserver mount 'files' to fileserver.conf, with relevant path/allow lines?
[2008/12/21 22:30:22] <tom_paton> i think so: [files]
[2008/12/21 22:30:22] <tom_paton> path /etc/puppet/files
[2008/12/21 22:30:22] <tom_paton> allow 192.168.0.0/24
[2008/12/21 22:30:54] <fujin> restarted your master?
[2008/12/21 22:30:55] <tom_paton> and in my site.pp, i have: source => 'puppet:///files/python/path.py'
[2008/12/21 22:31:04] <fujin> looks fine
[2008/12/21 22:31:11] <fujin> run your master with --no-daemonize --debug --trace
[2008/12/21 22:31:46] <tom_paton> yeah, i did /etc/init.d/puppet/puppetmasterd restart, will that do it? (i'm not a sysadmin, so bumbling about here)
[2008/12/21 22:32:24] <fujin> just stop it and make sure it's stopped
[2008/12/21 22:32:29] <fujin> ps aux|grep puppetmaster
[2008/12/21 22:32:29] <fujin> etc
[2008/12/21 22:34:14] <tom_paton> ok, done, it's running with debug & trace now.
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[2008/12/21 22:37:28] <fujin> run your client against it, see what it says
[2008/12/21 22:37:36] <fujin> it's more than likely that your 'allow' line doesn't match the client
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[2008/12/21 22:38:22] <tom_paton> yeah, that seems to be the case. i've got an allow with an ip. if i put the client name (no domain name) then it gave me a syntax error when i restarted the puppetmasterd.
[2008/12/21 22:39:27] <tom_paton> what syntax should i be using if i don't have a domain name to put in there?
[2008/12/21 22:44:39] <tom_paton> ok, got it, put the full ip in the allow line. i guess the mask(?) bit above didn't match enough bits or something.
[2008/12/21 22:46:04] <fujin> ya
[2008/12/21 22:46:08] <tom_paton> thanks for you help, now time to dive in and see what i can manage to do with puppet :)
[2008/12/21 22:46:10] <fujin> I tend to use *.my.domain
[2008/12/21 22:46:18] <fujin> haven't tried the CIDR mask style
[2008/12/21 22:47:16] <tom_paton> yeah, only on a home network, so no domain name. i guess allow * would probably have worked too...
[2008/12/21 22:47:44] <fujin> aye, it does.
[2008/12/21 22:49:59] <rlpowell> storeconfigs
[2008/12/21 22:49:59] <rlpowell> Whether to store each client's configuration. This requires ActiveRecord from Ruby on Rails.
[2008/12/21 22:50:08] <rlpowell> -- that means ActiveRecord only on the master, right?
[2008/12/21 22:50:54] <fujin> yessir
[2008/12/21 22:51:13] * rlpowell discovers usecacheonfailure, and suddenly understands why his b0rked manifests were acting so oddly. :D
[2008/12/21 22:52:45] <rlpowell> That seems like it should be mentioned somewhere directly off of Getting Started, no?
[2008/12/21 22:53:10] <fujin> sure
[2008/12/21 22:55:37] <gepetto> ::wiki:: Configuration Reference edited by rlpowell @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/ConfigurationReference (by rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org)
[2008/12/21 22:55:51] <rlpowell> The installation page does mention it briefly. I don't suppose there's any description anywhere of exactly how the cache works?
[2008/12/21 22:55:55] <rlpowell> Just curious about it.
[2008/12/21 22:57:44] <fujin> I don't believe I've read any docs regarding it.
[2008/12/21 22:57:51] <fujin> but then again, I always explicitly do not use caching
[2008/12/21 22:57:58] <fujin> I much prefer no action to b0rked action
[2008/12/21 22:58:08] <rlpowell> Yeah, I just flipped that flag myself.
[2008/12/21 22:58:22] <rlpowell> Although in production at work I imagine that that flag would be very, very nice.
[2008/12/21 22:58:46] <rlpowell> Fixing ~800 servers that are so borked as to not accept updates... Not good.
[2008/12/21 23:00:41] <fujin> ssh in a for loop? =]
[2008/12/21 23:01:46] <rlpowell> Heh.
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[2008/12/21 23:06:31] <gepetto> ::wiki:: Language Tutorial edited by rlpowell @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/LanguageTutorial (by rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org)
[2008/12/21 23:34:41] <ohadlevy> did anyone here customized tagmail reports?
[2008/12/21 23:35:17] <rlpowell> err: Could not retrieve catalog: Could not find resource type augeas -- Erm. puppetd --version => 0.24.7 ... ??
[2008/12/21 23:35:39] <ohadlevy> rlpowell do you have the augeas ruby binding installed?
[2008/12/21 23:37:40] <rlpowell> Not that I'm aware of; sort of figured the latest Augeas would do it?
[2008/12/21 23:38:00] <rlpowell> Ah, I see it now. Thanks!
[2008/12/21 23:38:11] <rlpowell> Augeas looks pretty unpolished, but *hot damn* is that the right idea.
[2008/12/21 23:38:21] <rlpowell> I've been wanting something like that for a while now.
[2008/12/21 23:38:34] <rlpowell> Crazy person to write it in C, but I don't care if it gets the job done! :)
[2008/12/21 23:45:05] <rlpowell> OK, dumb Ruby questions timee.
[2008/12/21 23:45:24] <rlpowell> ruby-augeas.tar.gz has a Rakefile; do I need rake installed to use that?
[2008/12/21 23:45:32] <rlpowell> Alternatively, there is a .gem ; how do I install that?
[2008/12/21 23:47:10] * rlpowell figures out that he does definately need rake for the Rakefile.

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