Tuesday, 2009-12-15

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[2009/12/15 01:54:42] * ohadlevy wonders if everyone here is on vacation already :)
[2009/12/15 01:54:52] * ohadlevy wonders if everyone here is on vacation already :)
[2009/12/15 01:55:12] * ohadlevy wonders if everyone here is on vacation already :)
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[2009/12/15 01:59:02] * ohadlevy wonders if everyone here is on vacation already :)
[2009/12/15 02:02:32] <dan__t> wtf
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[2009/12/15 02:11:42] <rodjek> ohadlevy: in my mind, i am... does that count?
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[2009/12/15 02:15:16] <ohadlevy> rodjek: sure ;)
[2009/12/15 02:15:36] <rodjek> outstanding. back to my vacation then
[2009/12/15 02:16:22] <ohadlevy> rodjek: how many vacation days do you get ? sounds like a good deal
[2009/12/15 02:17:12] <rodjek> depends on how often things break i guess ;)
[2009/12/15 02:18:36] <rodjek> and on that note, home time!
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[2009/12/15 03:00:02] <ircleuser> *sigh* Will puppet let me do package { "foo": ensure => 1.0-2"; }
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[2009/12/15 03:01:10] <Dougster> grrrr
[2009/12/15 03:03:33] * Dougster watches the tumbleweeds blow by. Wooosh
[2009/12/15 03:11:35] <whack_> Dougster: if you fix the typo (missing open quotation) yes
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[2009/12/15 03:12:28] <Dougster> whack_: Dougster: ok... fine.. it's late and I'm tired. That's not it though
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[2009/12/15 03:12:53] <whack> well, that's what I have, and it works
[2009/12/15 03:12:58] <Dougster> hmmm
[2009/12/15 03:12:59] <whack> what error do you get?
[2009/12/15 03:13:19] <Dougster> lemme do another test run to disprove insanity
[2009/12/15 03:13:43] <whack> http://pastebin.com/d6a8c96e0
[2009/12/15 03:13:46] <whack> I have that, for example
[2009/12/15 03:14:11] <Dougster> I was getting this earlier.... err: //Node[papp1.fr.twofish.com]/Elements::Setup[tfel0]/Package[tf-elements-core-tfel0]/ensure:
[2009/12/15 03:14:11] <Dougster> change from 14.3-2.tf to 14.3-1.tf failed: Could not update: Failed to
[2009/12/15 03:14:11] <Dougster> update to version 14.3
[2009/12/15 03:14:11] <Dougster> -1.tf, got version 14.3-2.tf instead at
[2009/12/15 03:14:17] <Dougster> i mean... wtf?!?!
[2009/12/15 03:14:36] <whack> you're using yum?
[2009/12/15 03:14:56] <whack> yum won't downgrade without a plugin, and I don't know how that would work with puppet, either.
[2009/12/15 03:14:58] <Dougster> yep
[2009/12/15 03:15:06] <Dougster> *lol* I wasn't doing a downgrade.
[2009/12/15 03:15:08] <whack> Basically, puppet is saying that '14.3-2.tf' is installed, and you want 14.3-1 installed
[2009/12/15 03:15:24] <Dougster> yes, but I had ensure => "14.3.1.tf"
[2009/12/15 03:15:34] <whack> 14.3-1.tf
[2009/12/15 03:15:38] <Dougster> hang on... god i need more sleep. i don't know anymore
[2009/12/15 03:15:45] <whack> heh
[2009/12/15 03:15:50] <Dougster> its posted on the mailing list abck when I was more wide awake
[2009/12/15 03:16:30] <whack> reading now
[2009/12/15 03:17:07] <Dougster> but it's behaviour has changed since then... so lemme beat my head against a wall a bit longer with it.
[2009/12/15 03:17:14] <Dougster> I think i just got it to work... somehow
[2009/12/15 03:17:20] <whack> Dougster: what version does 'yum install tf-elements-core-tfel0' give you?
[2009/12/15 03:17:55] <whack> times i've had puppet fail to get the version I specify are when local install has a higher version than what I told it to install, or that the yum cache or yum repo doesn't have the version I specified
[2009/12/15 03:18:21] <Dougster> whack, yah... i just ran a new createrepo and I think it worked... oh god
[2009/12/15 03:18:28] <whack> heh
[2009/12/15 03:18:32] <Dougster> must... replicate...
[2009/12/15 03:18:41] <Dougster> but if it works for you... then that means it should work for me
[2009/12/15 03:19:04] <whack> yeah, and if your repo is definitely up to date, then local yum cache may be not updating properly
[2009/12/15 03:19:15] <whack> I have my puppet doing 'yum clean all' on every run
[2009/12/15 03:19:24] <Dougster> i was cleaning the cache each time
[2009/12/15 03:19:38] <whack> at any rate, debugging this is usually simple
[2009/12/15 03:19:44] <Dougster> i wonder if puppet... yah yum should refresh the cache if it's been cleaned
[2009/12/15 03:19:45] <whack> 'yum install foo', when it says waht version it wants to install
[2009/12/15 03:19:58] <whack> if that version is not the version you told puppet to install, things won't work
[2009/12/15 03:20:17] <Dougster> another test run...
[2009/12/15 03:20:17] <whack> you'll get the "you said X but I got Y", where X is 'ensure => "X"' and the Y is the version given by 'yum install foo'
[2009/12/15 03:20:24] <whack> yum is kind of poop
[2009/12/15 03:20:36] <Dougster> whack: my brain hurts
[2009/12/15 03:20:37] <whack> I've got plans to switch to apt-rpm, but haven't had time/energy
[2009/12/15 03:21:09] <Dougster> "yum: Installed: tf-elements-core-tfel0-14.3-2.noarch" FUCK!
[2009/12/15 03:21:18] <Dougster> it should have installed 14.3-1!
[2009/12/15 03:21:22] <whack> told ya! :)
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[2009/12/15 03:21:30] <Dougster> can you tell me again?
[2009/12/15 03:21:31] <Dougster> sorry
[2009/12/15 03:21:41] <whack> your repo has 14.3-2, which is newer than 14.3-1
[2009/12/15 03:21:49] <Dougster> i freekin have ensure => "14.3-1";
[2009/12/15 03:21:50] <whack> 'yum install foo' will always pick the most recent version
[2009/12/15 03:21:52] <whack> right
[2009/12/15 03:22:00] <Dougster> whack: yes... i have 14.3-1 and 14-3.2 in there
[2009/12/15 03:22:08] <Dougster> whack: That's not what the docs say
[2009/12/15 03:22:19] <whack> so you have 14.3-2 installed locally, yum cannot downgrade. Installing from 14.3-2 to 14.3-1 is a downgrade
[2009/12/15 03:22:29] <Dougster> whack: I have nothing installed locally
[2009/12/15 03:22:36] <whack> oh
[2009/12/15 03:22:40] <whack> what happens when you try to do
[2009/12/15 03:22:42] <Dougster> and I did a puppet run with version => "14.3-1";
[2009/12/15 03:22:43] <kjetilho> puppet will simply run yum install $package-$version
[2009/12/15 03:22:46] <Dougster> and I got 14.3-2
[2009/12/15 03:22:48] <whack> yum install tf-elements-core-tfel0-14.3-2 ?
[2009/12/15 03:22:49] <whack> erm
[2009/12/15 03:22:51] <whack> yum install tf-elements-core-tfel0-14.3-1 ?
[2009/12/15 03:23:03] <Dougster> kjetilho: the docs say if you do this you can install a specific version
[2009/12/15 03:23:20] <kjetilho> Dougster: yes. does the yum command do what you want?
[2009/12/15 03:23:23] <whack> kjetilho: I think the yum provider is slightly more intelligent, it looks at installation canddiates and gives you errors and such
[2009/12/15 03:23:23] <Dougster> kjetilho: the docs say if you do this you can install a specific version
[2009/12/15 03:23:28] <Dougster> oops
[2009/12/15 03:24:02] <Dougster> kjetilho: the yum docs say that if you specify a version number, it should install only that version.
[2009/12/15 03:24:17] <kjetilho> whack: what other command could it use to tell yum what version to install?
[2009/12/15 03:24:26] <kjetilho> Dougster: Puppet can't reimplement yum
[2009/12/15 03:24:37] <Dougster> "A package can be referred to for install,update,list,remove etc with any of the following:" ..... name-ver-rel
[2009/12/15 03:24:42] <whack> kjetilho: well, it doesn't just do yum install, iirc, before it does the install it looks up a list of candidate versions
[2009/12/15 03:24:49] <kjetilho> whack: so?
[2009/12/15 03:25:03] <whack> kjetilho: so it can give you better error messages and stuff, I don't remember
[2009/12/15 03:25:09] <Dougster> kjetilho: the docs quite clearly say you can install a specific package by specifying the version number.
[2009/12/15 03:25:14] <kjetilho> geez!
[2009/12/15 03:25:16] <whack> Dougster: yes, and you can.
[2009/12/15 03:25:33] <whack> Dougster: what happens when you do 'yum install tf-elements-core-tfel0-14.3-1' ?
[2009/12/15 03:25:37] <kjetilho> Dougster: go get some sleep, you're just a broken record
[2009/12/15 03:25:43] <whack> agreed :(
[2009/12/15 03:26:15] <Dougster> wack: it finds that version.
[2009/12/15 03:26:32] <Dougster> and if I put in yum install tf-elements-core-tfel0-14.3-2 it finds THAT version
[2009/12/15 03:26:42] <whack> show your package { } line again?
[2009/12/15 03:26:44] <Dougster> so .... why the fudge cant puppet do that?
[2009/12/15 03:26:45] <whack> (paste)
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[2009/12/15 03:27:21] <Dougster> package {
[2009/12/15 03:27:23] <Dougster> #
[2009/12/15 03:27:25] <Dougster> #
[2009/12/15 03:27:27] <Dougster> #
[2009/12/15 03:27:29] <Dougster> "tf-elements-core-${name}":
[2009/12/15 03:27:31] <Dougster> ensure => "${release}";
[2009/12/15 03:27:33] <Dougster> package {
[2009/12/15 03:27:35] <Dougster> #
[2009/12/15 03:27:37] <Dougster> #
[2009/12/15 03:27:39] <Dougster> #
[2009/12/15 03:27:41] <Dougster> "tf-elements-core-${name}":
[2009/12/15 03:27:43] <Dougster> ensure => "${release}";
[2009/12/15 03:27:45] <Dougster> oops sorry guys
[2009/12/15 03:27:57] <Dougster> this irc client is a bit brain dead. doesn't scroll the window
[2009/12/15 03:28:09] <Dougster> release is 14.3-1
[2009/12/15 03:28:41] <Dougster> *sigh*
[2009/12/15 03:28:59] <Dougster> kjetilho, do I still sound like a broken down record?
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[2009/12/15 03:29:42] <Dougster> hmmm
[2009/12/15 03:29:59] <Dougster> quiet all of a sudden...
[2009/12/15 03:30:27] <Dougster> grrrrr
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[2009/12/15 03:31:27] <FiXion> mornings
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[2009/12/15 03:33:06] <Dougster3> dammit
[2009/12/15 03:33:24] <Dougster3> f*ckin puppet
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[2009/12/15 04:23:00] <dyresen> Is there a switch to change color of the output when runing debug?
[2009/12/15 04:25:07] <Volcane> nope
[2009/12/15 04:25:13] <Volcane> i think u can turn it off
[2009/12/15 04:25:18] <dyresen> The colors?
[2009/12/15 04:25:23] <Volcane> yes
[2009/12/15 04:25:42] <dyresen> oki, how?
[2009/12/15 04:25:55] <dyresen> cant see anything with a white terminal
[2009/12/15 04:26:34] <Volcane> --color=false
[2009/12/15 04:28:00] <dyresen> Thank you!
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[2009/12/15 04:47:35] <henk> Volcane: just want to make sure: did you receive my answers in query?
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[2009/12/15 05:10:09] <Cope> [OT] What's to choose between syslog and rsyslog?
[2009/12/15 05:10:21] <Cope> sorry syslog-ng and rsyslog
[2009/12/15 05:13:53] <henk> afaihh rsyslog is the way to go... syslog-ng does not have a local cache in case the server is down (for remote logging) and uses udp, while rsyslog uses tcp AND has a local cache. apart from that, i'm not a big help with that choice...
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[2009/12/15 05:20:58] <kjetilho> Cope: Ubuntu and RHEL6 will use rsyslog
[2009/12/15 05:21:19] <kjetilho> in Hardy it is optional, I think it will be mandatory in next LTS release
[2009/12/15 05:22:50] <Cope> seems like rsyslog leads the race
[2009/12/15 05:24:12] <espent> anyone using puppet with freebsd servers here?
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[2009/12/15 05:39:49] * FiXion prefers syslog-ng on the receiving end
[2009/12/15 05:40:01] <FiXion> and rsyslog is fine on client end.
[2009/12/15 05:40:20] <FiXion> I believe you can make several of the clients use tcp instead of udp if you want.
[2009/12/15 05:40:35] <FiXion> clients as in syslog services :)
[2009/12/15 05:41:25] <FiXion> espent: not really - but perhaps your problem is something we could help with anyways :)
[2009/12/15 05:41:41] * FiXion only speaks for himself - others might use freebsd
[2009/12/15 05:42:51] <barn> I thought FreeBSD was dying? (;
[2009/12/15 05:43:08] <barn> espent: I've used it on OpenBSD, which is close(ish..)
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[2009/12/15 06:07:47] <ohadlevy> what do you guys use for parsing the syslog messages?
[2009/12/15 06:12:16] <espent> barn: fbsd dying? i am not so sure about that
[2009/12/15 06:13:06] <barn> espent: sorry, it was bad aging Slashdot humour...
[2009/12/15 06:13:10] <espent> FiXion: k - i do not have any problems, just wanted to know if anyone had some experiences they wanted to share
[2009/12/15 06:14:30] <espent> barn: yeah i've seen it my self. and that youtube movie as well, about freebsd dying
[2009/12/15 06:15:28] <espent> its a bit scary with that last security issue i rtle, having all the servers managed through puppet would make patching very simple
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[2009/12/15 08:09:39] <gnosek> hi all, is there a good TFM I could R to debug why my custom facts aren't working?
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[2009/12/15 08:10:17] <Volcane> gnosek: easiest is just to add some debug with puts statements and run facter by hand :(
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[2009/12/15 08:10:34] <Volcane> gnosek: depends what you mean with not working though
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[2009/12/15 08:10:36] <gnosek> Volcane: FACTERLIB=/.../ facter foo works
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[2009/12/15 08:10:53] <gnosek> the facts aren't propagated to the puppetmaster
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[2009/12/15 08:11:04] <Volcane> ok, and you copy them to the clients how?
[2009/12/15 08:11:05] <gnosek> so I can't put them in recipes
[2009/12/15 08:11:19] <Volcane> and what version facter?
[2009/12/15 08:11:42] <gnosek> 0.24 (CentOS 5.4)
[2009/12/15 08:11:49] <gnosek> err, that's puppet
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[2009/12/15 08:12:01] <gnosek> facter-1.5.7-1.el5
[2009/12/15 08:12:17] <gnosek> I distribute them as plugins in a module
[2009/12/15 08:12:18] <Volcane> ok, how do you copy the facts?
[2009/12/15 08:12:33] <Volcane> ok, do you have factpath= set in [main] of puppet.conf?
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[2009/12/15 08:13:03] <gnosek> I do have factdir set
[2009/12/15 08:13:09] <gnosek> but not factpath
[2009/12/15 08:13:16] <gnosek> lemme check
[2009/12/15 08:13:30] <Volcane> ok, where are the rb files on your client after pluginsync? what dir?
[2009/12/15 08:14:23] <gnosek> okay, brown paper bag time? setting factpath worked
[2009/12/15 08:14:46] <Volcane> :) yeah there's some weirdness with defaults
[2009/12/15 08:14:51] <Volcane> common problem
[2009/12/15 08:15:19] <gnosek> the facts get downloaded to /var/lib/puppet/lib/facter
[2009/12/15 08:15:46] <gnosek> the wiki said to leave the default factpath, so I did
[2009/12/15 08:16:15] <Volcane> nods, wiki probably should mention this setting
[2009/12/15 08:17:35] <gnosek> the wording implies "if you use > 0.24.4, leave this alone", at least for me
[2009/12/15 08:18:40] <gnosek> thanks a lot, anyway
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[2009/12/15 08:19:29] <Volcane> defaults to /var/lib/puppet/facts/ which is just wrong
[2009/12/15 08:20:08] <Volcane> since plugindest defaults to /var/lib/puppet/lib
[2009/12/15 08:20:26] <Volcane> and libdir defaults to the same
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[2009/12/15 08:35:31] <Volcane> wow
[2009/12/15 08:35:33] <Volcane> oops
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[2009/12/15 08:45:10] <FiXion> Volcane: mcollective - why does it need to kick puppet agents?
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[2009/12/15 08:45:17] <Volcane> doesnt need to
[2009/12/15 08:45:22] <Volcane> but its what I do with it
[2009/12/15 08:45:33] <Volcane> mc-puppet --with-class /client/ runonce
[2009/12/15 08:45:44] <Volcane> and runonce could be enable, disable, status or runonce
[2009/12/15 08:46:25] <Volcane> its like puppetrun in a way, but i can select which machines based on facts, classes, hostnames etc
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[2009/12/15 08:47:17] <FiXion> nice.
[2009/12/15 08:47:36] <FiXion> I've just setup a special key which runs puppet - if anyone tries to connect with this key
[2009/12/15 08:47:51] <FiXion> and then I have a script which ssh's to the servers one selects :)
[2009/12/15 08:47:56] <Volcane> :)
[2009/12/15 08:47:57] <FiXion> using that key
[2009/12/15 08:48:02] <FiXion> works like a charm
[2009/12/15 08:48:11] <FiXion> and fork them off and output to a file
[2009/12/15 08:48:16] <FiXion> so the script checks for status and errors
[2009/12/15 08:48:16] * ohadlevy uses foreman query interface ;)
[2009/12/15 08:48:31] <FiXion> very nice when you need to make sure a run goes perfect on all.
[2009/12/15 08:48:45] <ohadlevy> similar result to mcollective, not as keol
[2009/12/15 08:49:05] <FiXion> haven't upgraded one customer to 0.25.* yet - so they hit the race condition bug often
[2009/12/15 08:49:10] <Volcane> FiXion: http://pastie.org/744042
[2009/12/15 08:49:12] <FiXion> the script detects and reruns on that host
[2009/12/15 08:49:19] <Volcane> the md5 hashes is just anon versions of hostnames
[2009/12/15 08:49:44] <FiXion> does it check output from the run as well?
[2009/12/15 08:49:55] <FiXion> check for errors in output?
[2009/12/15 08:50:06] <Volcane> it background splays it, i have other stuff to monitor status
[2009/12/15 08:50:12] <FiXion> I also check for a "definable string" - so they use it to give the release nr. they expect to be rolled out.
[2009/12/15 08:50:33] <FiXion> what if you run puppet on 17+ servers at once - it's kinda hard to not miss one - being a human and all :)
[2009/12/15 08:50:46] <FiXion> that's why I wrote the script - which shows a line pr. server - with final status when it exits
[2009/12/15 08:50:54] <barn> Volcane is no human!
[2009/12/15 08:51:07] <FiXion> so us pour humans can just watch the output to know if it all went as expected :)
[2009/12/15 08:51:08] <barn> he's more like a machine, that outputs code and puppet confs
[2009/12/15 08:51:20] <Volcane> i know if runs fail anywhere, thats in the realm of report processors etc
[2009/12/15 08:51:57] <FiXion> Volcane: correct - but then you have to wait for that output - and also doesn't check for "definable strings"
[2009/12/15 08:52:01] <ohadlevy> FiXion: thats partly what foreman does
[2009/12/15 08:52:02] <FiXion> but fair enough
[2009/12/15 08:52:14] <FiXion> one solution can be just as good as another
[2009/12/15 08:52:27] <Volcane> FiXion: nods, well it would anyway be trivial to add that functionality to the puppet agent
[2009/12/15 08:52:56] <ohadlevy> Volcane: if exit codes works correctly that is ;)
[2009/12/15 08:52:57] <FiXion> ssh-keys and small script was just soo KISS.. so that's what I did :)
[2009/12/15 08:52:57] <Volcane> puppet agent is only like 160 lines including help and comments
[2009/12/15 08:53:22] <Volcane> yup, cant wait for exit codes to become sane
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[2009/12/15 08:53:30] <Volcane> thats why i just background it and look at reports
[2009/12/15 08:53:44] <ohadlevy> FiXion: I've also added a daily summary email, e.g. one email (per interval) which gives you a summary of all of yours nodes (changes, errors etc) and also a list of hosts which are not running at all
[2009/12/15 08:53:44] <Volcane> cos eveything else is just hacky
[2009/12/15 08:54:32] <FiXion> it would have taken me longer to look at reports
[2009/12/15 08:54:38] <Volcane> anyway, specifics aside, being able to kick selections of puppetd's with regexes of facts/classes/noenames is the shit
[2009/12/15 08:54:44] <FiXion> as every run is also syslog'ed.. I process syslog's for all hosts
[2009/12/15 08:54:47] <FiXion> every 5 minutes
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[2009/12/15 08:55:13] <ohadlevy> FiXion: there is a single dashboard - that on my test cluster (with 800 hosts) takes 68ms to generate ;)
[2009/12/15 08:56:01] <ohadlevy> Volcane: yeah, i found out this way some hosts that where still running old versions of puppet ;)
[2009/12/15 08:56:43] <FiXion> ohadlevy: I have been wanting to have a look at foreman - but was cheaper for customer (short term) to just write script. so they choose that.
[2009/12/15 08:56:55] <FiXion> I force puppet versions on all hosts
[2009/12/15 08:56:58] <Volcane> ohadlevy: yeah, i found lots of weird shit too with versions when i gave my package agent reporting abilities
[2009/12/15 08:57:13] <FiXion> so complaints is outputtet if that does not work - and all complaints is caught by my syslog checker
[2009/12/15 08:57:26] <FiXion> it ofcourses sorts "known good msgs" away
[2009/12/15 08:57:39] <ohadlevy> FiXion: you might be surprised that it doesn't take much longer than writing a script, esp when a puppet module is already made ;)
[2009/12/15 08:57:44] <Volcane> ohadlevy: lots of differences in facter version, infact i dont know how some of it worked at all, real quick interactive ways to just interrogate and explore lots of machines is critical
[2009/12/15 08:57:48] <ohadlevy> FiXion: surely thats not as nice as graphs ;)
[2009/12/15 08:57:55] <FiXion> :)
[2009/12/15 08:57:57] <FiXion> lol
[2009/12/15 08:58:08] * Volcane goes to get lunch
[2009/12/15 08:58:17] <ohadlevy> volcane: yeah, you gave me the inspiration to write the query interface in foreman ;)
[2009/12/15 08:58:25] <Disconnect> hmm. anyone got a decent nrpe nagios recipe? preferably one that uses the nagios::command pattern instead of hardcoding all the tests in the nrpe config
[2009/12/15 08:58:26] <ohadlevy> which is really useful now that I hae it
[2009/12/15 08:58:39] * Disconnect can turn http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/Recipes/Nagios into what he needs, but..
[2009/12/15 08:58:40] <ohadlevy> hae/have
[2009/12/15 08:59:23] <z00dax> Volcane: so are you maintaining your own rsyslog pkgs :)
[2009/12/15 08:59:40] <ohadlevy> FiXion: maybe this will be useful for you - http://theforeman.org/wiki/foreman/Query_Interface
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[2009/12/15 09:02:40] <z00dax> ohadlevy: btw, for theforeman - are you using the stock distro ruby on rhel5 ?
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[2009/12/15 09:02:52] <ohadlevy> z00dax:yes
[2009/12/15 09:03:17] <ohadlevy> z00dax: having any problems with it?
[2009/12/15 09:03:48] <z00dax> not looked at it as yet, its on the list of things to visit soon
[2009/12/15 09:04:02] <FiXion> ohadlevy: cool feature
[2009/12/15 09:04:16] <z00dax> but I am putting together a single repo with most ruby stuff for EL4 and EL5 - and basing it around a ruby-1.8.6 and rubygems-1.3
[2009/12/15 09:04:18] <ohadlevy> FiXion: you get the script for free as well ;)
[2009/12/15 09:04:21] <FiXion> can it take regex'es? like webserver*
[2009/12/15 09:04:43] <ohadlevy> FiXion: not yet, but if you file in a feature request I'll be happy to add it
[2009/12/15 09:05:20] <z00dax> so, once i have the base stuff in place, get puppet working with it - then will start packaging up stuff like foreman. will ping you should I run into anything 'interesting'
[2009/12/15 09:05:58] <ohadlevy> z00dax: sure, FYI, I'm running my masters with RHE5 stock ruby for quite some time now without a lot of issues
[2009/12/15 09:06:00] <FiXion> ohadlevy: I'll see if I can convice a customer to let me set it up :)
[2009/12/15 09:06:11] <z00dax> would be cool to see cobbler get integrated in though, there is so much cool stuff being done there
[2009/12/15 09:06:13] <ohadlevy> FiXion: I'm sure they will like the inventory part
[2009/12/15 09:06:40] <ohadlevy> z00dax: foreman is an alternative to cobbler, as it handles the OS install as well (for kickstarts, preseeds and jumpstarts)
[2009/12/15 09:07:23] <z00dax> yup
[2009/12/15 09:07:39] <z00dax> I've been a cobbler (ab)user for a few years now. and quite like it :)
[2009/12/15 09:07:56] <z00dax> I've got it working for my vmware stack as well
[2009/12/15 09:07:56] <ohadlevy> my main problem with cobbler is that its an overkill for puppet users
[2009/12/15 09:08:09] <ohadlevy> and that its not so good with many dhcp servers
[2009/12/15 09:08:09] <z00dax> and koan++
[2009/12/15 09:08:39] <ohadlevy> yeah koan is quite good, I'll probably use it in the future
[2009/12/15 09:08:52] <z00dax> humm the only real problem I've had with cobbler has been that working with non-dhcp'd locked in static ip is non trivial to implement
[2009/12/15 09:09:12] <ohadlevy> my goal with foreman is that it auto manages your subnets
[2009/12/15 09:09:21] <ohadlevy> or one of the goals
[2009/12/15 09:10:07] <ohadlevy> i use a kind of foreman version internally to manage all of our dhcp and dns services
[2009/12/15 09:10:09] <ohadlevy> quite useful
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[2009/12/15 09:12:29] <Cope> afternoon
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[2009/12/15 09:13:00] <z00dax> humm ohadlevy interesting.
[2009/12/15 09:13:46] <z00dax> there is a massive gap in the market(if there ever was a market) for the 'facilities' management and 'multi machine state management'
[2009/12/15 09:14:01] <ohadlevy> yeah
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[2009/12/15 09:14:11] <z00dax> puppet fills in the gap at one end of the spectrum, but plenty more to do - and foreman looks like something cool with potential
[2009/12/15 09:14:20] <ohadlevy> thanks
[2009/12/15 09:14:45] <ohadlevy> we've been using it internally with a lot of sucess
[2009/12/15 09:14:49] <joe-mac1> is anyone from RL here who can tell me if there are any plans to de couple the dashboard from the master, like if you have all your masters report to a single server, and all your masters send stored config stuff to a single db, i want to run it on that single server, not on my separate masters
[2009/12/15 09:15:26] <ohadlevy> joe-mac: you can get the reports in one dashboard regardless of storeconfigs
[2009/12/15 09:15:57] <ohadlevy> at least thats how i've done it in foreman
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[2009/12/15 09:16:57] <joe-mac1> yea but i am not so sure if this is true with the dashboard. i don't have a test master anymore to mess around with...
[2009/12/15 09:17:17] <ohadlevy> joe-mac: their implementation is "very" similar...
[2009/12/15 09:21:13] <joe-mac1> k, i guess i will work on setting up a report server then
[2009/12/15 09:21:18] <joe-mac1> and put it on there
[2009/12/15 09:21:32] <ohadlevy> joe-mac: you dont need to do that
[2009/12/15 09:21:41] <ohadlevy> just configure their custom puppet report on each of your masters
[2009/12/15 09:21:53] <ohadlevy> it will upload the reports to wherever your dashboard is installed
[2009/12/15 09:23:09] <joe-mac1> puppet has built in functionality for this, and i trust RL's ruby more than my own
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[2009/12/15 09:23:41] <ohadlevy> joe-mac1: i think that you are missing the point... there is no need for any ruby
[2009/12/15 09:23:57] <ohadlevy> in your master puppet.conf you just add reports = dashboard (or what ever its name is)
[2009/12/15 09:24:07] <ohadlevy> and inside the dashboard file you just adust the url
[2009/12/15 09:24:28] <joe-mac1> i was under the impression it just looked at the yaml and rrd reports?
[2009/12/15 09:24:35] <ohadlevy> no
[2009/12/15 09:24:48] <joe-mac1> i'm goign to have to look at the code then tyo make sure i understand this better, obviously there are points i am missing
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[2009/12/15 09:25:20] <bearnard> Hi all
[2009/12/15 09:26:33] <bearnard> I am trying to make use of ec2 facts and am getting nowhere. anything tricky I should know?
[2009/12/15 09:27:09] <bearnard> using puppet 0.25-1, facter 1.5.7
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[2009/12/15 09:32:34] <joe-mac1> bearnard: what do you see when you run facter on the node?
[2009/12/15 09:32:57] <bearnard> a bunch of facts but no ec2
[2009/12/15 09:33:21] <bearnard> joe-mac1: /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/facter/ec2.rb exists
[2009/12/15 09:33:53] <Volcane> bearnard: there's a bug filed recently about them
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[2009/12/15 09:34:40] <bearnard> joe-mac1: If I edit the ec2.rb so it prints stuff out and manually run it I get all the facts
[2009/12/15 09:34:50] <bearnard> ah darn k thanks
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[2009/12/15 09:35:20] <Volcane> z00dax: yeah own rsyslog packages
[2009/12/15 09:37:37] <Volcane> z00dax: coordination is why i wrote the mcollective thing too, one day when i can work up the energy to pollute my brain with rails again I'll add some buttons to foreman maybe to talk to it
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[2009/12/15 09:37:53] <Volcane> would be nice if in forman you can see status of a daemon and optionally kick it to run etc
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[2009/12/15 09:38:13] <ohadlevy> Volcane: its actually super easy
[2009/12/15 09:38:43] <ohadlevy> e.g. http://theforeman.org/repositories/entry/foreman/app/helpers/reports_helper.rb
[2009/12/15 09:39:00] <ohadlevy> thats how the report indicator is done
[2009/12/15 09:39:08] <Volcane> thats nice
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[2009/12/15 09:39:52] <Volcane> even with a puppetd in westcoast US from my box here in DE it only takes 200ms to determine its status, well within reason for showing on a webapp
[2009/12/15 09:40:04] <ohadlevy> we'll just need to add the mcollective lib to foreman libs
[2009/12/15 09:40:37] <ohadlevy> probably we could store in a cache the latest status (and expire it every few minutes or so)
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[2009/12/15 09:40:44] <Volcane> yeah i need to clean up the client code a bit, only really now starting to get a good feel for the types of app i need to write
[2009/12/15 09:40:57] <ohadlevy> i think that I'll need memcache soon anyway
[2009/12/15 09:41:00] <Volcane> ohadlevy: yeah easy with the registration framework, agents can check in on a given interval
[2009/12/15 09:41:08] <ohadlevy> yep :)
[2009/12/15 09:41:28] <Volcane> did u see the exim video i put up last night?
[2009/12/15 09:41:43] <ohadlevy> i did - but without the audio
[2009/12/15 09:42:02] <ohadlevy> a lot of potential
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[2009/12/15 09:42:15] <Volcane> thats prolly fine yeah, the point of the video is to show the speed and what can be done
[2009/12/15 09:42:37] <Volcane> if u got that the mailq came from 4 machines 3 continents and was that quick then thats enough :)
[2009/12/15 09:42:51] <ohadlevy> with my ruby multi-ssh implementation ,i can do up to 50 hosts in a second or so, but thats not good enough
[2009/12/15 09:43:03] <ohadlevy> with a c version i can do about 250 hosts
[2009/12/15 09:43:16] <ohadlevy> but i am guessing your would be faster
[2009/12/15 09:43:19] <ohadlevy> yors
[2009/12/15 09:43:21] <Volcane> neat, the question in my mind is how to show the status of all those nodes though
[2009/12/15 09:43:23] <ohadlevy> yours
[2009/12/15 09:43:36] <Volcane> sure i can talk to thousands of nodes, but how to present success/fail/status in a way a human can make sense of
[2009/12/15 09:43:41] <ohadlevy> that depends what you are monitoring
[2009/12/15 09:44:02] <ohadlevy> in my last foreman version, I've tried to make the dashboard very simple
[2009/12/15 09:44:15] <Volcane> my current idea for UI is something along the lines of this http://code.google.com/p/mcollective-plugins/wiki/AgentNRPE
[2009/12/15 09:44:19] <ohadlevy> total no of hosts with errors, changes, and out of sync
[2009/12/15 09:44:27] <Volcane> see by check_disks, only shows stuff thats out of the ordinary
[2009/12/15 09:44:38] <Volcane> . for each ok host
[2009/12/15 09:45:06] <Volcane> so if you're writing a client script for a particular task - or if u can standardise that daemons reason true/false + status text, then that is probably ok for 1000 nodes
[2009/12/15 09:45:19] <ohadlevy> are you interested in the status per host, or per service?
[2009/12/15 09:45:35] <Volcane> depends, say i am restarting services - then per host
[2009/12/15 09:46:04] <Volcane> the nrpe thing's usecase is: I've just updated 20 machines, they arent in the LB now, and i only want to put them back when they are all ok
[2009/12/15 09:46:07] <ohadlevy> I would think of it in some hierarchy - e.g. if everything is ok, than its "green", if not, you can start zooming in
[2009/12/15 09:46:17] <Volcane> so some quick rapid response nrpe check over affected nodes is great
[2009/12/15 09:46:58] <Volcane> the nc-nrpe does return std nagios values though, could trivially turn it into an actual nagios check
[2009/12/15 09:47:20] <Volcane> which is interesting for certain clusters, you dont need to know which specific machine so you can do specific notifications
[2009/12/15 09:47:27] <Volcane> u just want to know a list of broken machines
[2009/12/15 09:47:41] <Volcane> so a very simple nagios setup - 1 check_load only - using mcollective to monitor all the nodes it can find
[2009/12/15 09:48:02] <ohadlevy> isnt there a standard interface to send notifications to nagios?
[2009/12/15 09:48:08] <Volcane> ncsa thing yes
[2009/12/15 09:48:09] <ohadlevy> e.g. the way collectd is doing it
[2009/12/15 09:48:11] <Volcane> a bit rubbish
[2009/12/15 09:48:24] <Volcane> and nagios notifications is rubbish too, not granular enough
[2009/12/15 09:48:49] <Volcane> say i have a box, and a client gets alerts for this machine - its really hard to say for puppetd on this machine dont notify client but notify me as a service provider
[2009/12/15 09:48:58] <Volcane> if u want that u need to throw away inheritance
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[2009/12/15 09:49:55] <joe-mac1> i thought you can override a service on a specific box?
[2009/12/15 09:50:06] <joe-mac1> idk, nagios is a lot of work
[2009/12/15 09:50:16] <Volcane> you can, but u need to then define the service specific for that box
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[2009/12/15 09:50:38] <joe-mac1> somebody out there is a full time nagios admin at a big site lol
[2009/12/15 09:50:38] <Volcane> you cant just make it belong to a hostgroup and apply the service to the hostgroup
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[2009/12/15 09:50:38] <joe-mac1> that's what i do
[2009/12/15 09:50:38] <Volcane> and then somehow manage to supply custom notifications
[2009/12/15 09:50:38] <LapTop006> Volcane: rubbish NCSA (well, nagios as a whole) may be, but we use it to get ~10k checks per central nagios (at that point nagios v1 which we're still using breaks)
[2009/12/15 09:50:38] <joe-mac1> that's what you have to do basically to get anything done
[2009/12/15 09:50:46] <Volcane> cos services in host groups inherits the nodes notification profile
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[2009/12/15 09:51:13] <Volcane> LapTop006: yes, it can be made work for sure, and I'd rather use it than a lot of the alternatives, but its hard work :)
[2009/12/15 09:51:24] <Risar> Nagios is the best event monitoring system out there.
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[2009/12/15 09:51:34] <joe-mac1> yea i just have a hostgroup for each kind of service, like http-servers, smb-servers, and then in a host's config file i inherit a basic linux-server template and thend eclare the hostgroups
[2009/12/15 09:51:45] <Risar> If anyone knows of an alternative I'm all ears.
[2009/12/15 09:52:05] <fsweetser> Risar: nagios has some pretty big suck spots, but I'll certainly agree that everything else I've looked at sucks more =)
[2009/12/15 09:52:18] * Disconnect used to really like bb4
[2009/12/15 09:52:22] <Risar> Thats about the summary of it.
[2009/12/15 09:52:23] <Volcane> joe-mac1: nod, so i have farmed notifications out to an external app that then has a list of service -> person maps and if not in the map it reverts to nagios default recipients so i can do it that way
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[2009/12/15 09:53:00] <Risar> open source: Our shit only works for 10% of your infrastructure or requires some wonky auto-discovery crap !
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[2009/12/15 09:53:11] <joe-mac1> Volcane: that's an interesting thought....
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[2009/12/15 09:53:15] <Volcane> anyway, some people are thinking out the box: http://flapjack-project.com/
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[2009/12/15 09:53:19] <Volcane> check that out
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[2009/12/15 09:53:20] <joe-mac1> Risar: i thought your job doesn't let you IRC it up/
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[2009/12/15 09:53:27] <joe-mac1> or you just bumming it up at home today?
[2009/12/15 09:53:31] <Risar> Commercial: 4 milllllion dollars. Oh you want snmp version 3 ? thats another 2 million dollars .... etc etc
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[2009/12/15 09:53:53] <Risar> At home. Will be WFH more often now as I'm splitting my time between a few customers.
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[2009/12/15 09:54:27] <joe-mac1> lucky you
[2009/12/15 09:54:33] <Risar> Which means I might actually get to stop having conference calls and giving presentations about what to do ..... and actually do it !
[2009/12/15 09:54:58] <joe-mac1> haha, sounds like you may have graduated to management
[2009/12/15 09:55:00] <Volcane> that flapjack thing uses middleware and couchdb to distribute your monitoring system over feckloads of nodes, well worth looking into. early days but lots of potential and given that he use middleware and high speed messaging something i am totally into
[2009/12/15 09:55:02] <Risar> (I say this as I just got off call 2 for the day, and call 3 starts in 30min)
[2009/12/15 09:55:09] <joe-mac1> you use openbsd's PF at all Risar?
[2009/12/15 09:55:34] <Risar> "Consultant" or "Lead engineer" depending on who you ask.
[2009/12/15 09:55:39] <Risar> Not in a few years.
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[2009/12/15 09:56:21] <joe-mac1> o i c. i wrote a rough draft on this paper about using PF to apply a CPU access control policy from multics on firewalls, are you interested in critiquing it at all?
[2009/12/15 09:56:35] <joe-mac1> it's very rough heh, but a novel idea and not many people doing it it seems
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[2009/12/15 09:57:10] <eventi> is anyone using pkg-get for solaris?
[2009/12/15 09:57:22] <Risar> Does BSD have enough privilege rings in the kernel to allow for that ? (multics had what ... 7 ?)
[2009/12/15 09:57:43] <ohadlevy> eventi: yes (only when I must use solaris)
[2009/12/15 09:57:51] <Risar> You can fire it over, I'll poke it with a stick as I have time.
[2009/12/15 09:58:05] <joe-mac1> well, basically it applies the privilege rings idea to the firewall rules
[2009/12/15 09:58:18] <eventi> ohadlevy: My Solaris came with apache2, and my debian hosts need it installed
[2009/12/15 09:58:57] <eventi> I'm at the end of my rope with these multiple kludgie package tools
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[2009/12/15 09:59:16] <joe-mac1> this crazy german guy suggested it when he came here to help build this new network we were setting up, and it turned out to work pretty well for us. pm me your address, would love to hear your thoughts. so far no one outside my group has looked at it and tehy gave a few points
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[2009/12/15 10:03:33] <Risar> joe-mac, sent you an email
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[2009/12/15 10:03:56] <joe-mac1> k
[2009/12/15 10:04:11] <joe-mac1> to which address? you know i left RH right?
[2009/12/15 10:04:31] <Risar> Yes. You left before I did (iirc).
[2009/12/15 10:04:44] <Risar> Whatever I have from linkedin. ::shrug::
[2009/12/15 10:04:47] <joe-mac1> o ok
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[2009/12/15 10:08:44] <ohadlevy> fsweetser: thanks - I dont know how i missed that :)
[2009/12/15 10:09:05] <joe-mac1> sent Risar
[2009/12/15 10:10:25] <FiXion> what do you do about reports?
[2009/12/15 10:10:29] <FiXion> I just ran out of inode space :(
[2009/12/15 10:10:35] <FiXion> do you delete them after x time?
[2009/12/15 10:10:48] <ohadlevy> FiXion: I never store them on the disk ;)
[2009/12/15 10:11:01] <fsweetser> no prob
[2009/12/15 10:11:01] <FiXion> but I use puppetview for now
[2009/12/15 10:11:18] <FiXion> ohadlevy: you put them in foreman - which stores them in db ?
[2009/12/15 10:11:19] <ohadlevy> fsweetser: thats so strange, i do see the correct hosts in my list
[2009/12/15 10:11:21] * Volcane deletes them
[2009/12/15 10:11:29] <fsweetser> maybe all of your reports are interesting =)
[2009/12/15 10:11:40] <ohadlevy> FiXion: yes, and I delete them based on their status
[2009/12/15 10:11:52] <ohadlevy> but generally, i delete them after a while automatically
[2009/12/15 10:11:58] <z00dax_> Volcane: cool. I am getting some basic stuff together and trying to also get a proper repo off the ground.
[2009/12/15 10:12:06] <z00dax_> Volcane: consider rsyslog assigned to you :)
[2009/12/15 10:12:09] <ohadlevy> fsweetser: I'll have to look at my test cluster, this does work there....
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[2009/12/15 10:32:01] <Volcane> it works, as in it doesnt not do what you're asking
[2009/12/15 10:32:01] <Volcane> but it isnt ensureing that it happens before both the listed resources
[2009/12/15 10:32:01] <Volcane> so it does the resources, but not the ordering
[2009/12/15 10:32:01] <henk> ah ok, yes, i can agree with that :)
[2009/12/15 10:32:01] <Volcane> it just ignored one of the before => properties
[2009/12/15 10:32:11] <henk> that explains some error messages i did not quite understand :)
[2009/12/15 10:32:40] <Volcane> kewl, we had lots of ppl bitten by it
[2009/12/15 10:32:49] <Volcane> so eventually i filed a bug and had it fixed this way
[2009/12/15 10:32:55] <Volcane> disruptive but overall better
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[2009/12/15 10:33:15] <henk> you need to be flexible these days...
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[2009/12/15 10:41:36] <eventi> Getting the following error on Solaris: Failed to retrieve current state of resource: Unmanageable state 'maintenance' on service apache
[2009/12/15 10:42:59] <tictacbum> hello, I'm running puppet 0.25.1 from testing repository on Debian, and I can't find localconfig.yml file, someone knows why it isn't in /var/lib/puppet/state?
[2009/12/15 10:43:12] <Phibs> will the puppetmaster pick up changes when running under passenger?
[2009/12/15 10:43:20] <Phibs> if not, is there a nice way to do that w/o restarting apache?
[2009/12/15 10:43:26] <fsweetser> Phibs: yes, it should
[2009/12/15 10:43:29] <Phibs> hmm ok
[2009/12/15 10:43:43] <fsweetser> with passenger, you effectively have a handfull of puppetmaster processes that are fronted by apache
[2009/12/15 10:44:19] <fsweetser> if you need to restart it, though, check out the passenger docs - you can tell it to restart a single application without bouncing all of apache
[2009/12/15 10:44:31] <Phibs> nod
[2009/12/15 10:44:57] <jb> well, sometimes it won't if you retry to run puppet too quickly
[2009/12/15 10:45:11] <Phibs> hmm
[2009/12/15 10:45:45] <Phibs> Dec 15 10:41:19 ops1 puppetmasterd[10865]: Denying access: Forbidden request: heritagewp2.(10.5.3.7) access to /catalog/backups-ash01. [find] authenticated at line 0
[2009/12/15 10:45:47] <Phibs> wtf does that mean
[2009/12/15 10:46:07] <fsweetser> are you just converting from webrick to passenger?
[2009/12/15 10:46:11] <Phibs> yea
[2009/12/15 10:46:32] <fsweetser> there are a couple of lines that you have to add to your puppet.conf file to get authentication working right
[2009/12/15 10:46:37] <Phibs> hah
[2009/12/15 10:46:38] <Phibs> oops
[2009/12/15 10:46:52] <Phibs> well
[2009/12/15 10:46:52] <Phibs> I did
[2009/12/15 10:46:53] <Phibs> [puppetmasterd]
[2009/12/15 10:46:53] <Phibs> ssl_client_header = SSL_CLIENT_S_DN
[2009/12/15 10:46:53] <Phibs> ssl_client_verify_header = SSL_CLIENT_VERIFY
[2009/12/15 10:47:06] <Phibs> assuming it still reads from /etc/puppet/puppet.conf :)
[2009/12/15 10:47:17] <jb> yeah
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[2009/12/15 10:48:04] <fsweetser> I think you also might need a namespaceauth.conf file setup, too
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[2009/12/15 10:48:22] <jb> you do, but you should see that in the logs if you don't have one
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[2009/12/15 11:01:31] <fzzzt> Is it possible to make Puppet consider a newer version of a package acceptable and not fail down the dependency tree?
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[2009/12/15 11:01:34] <mdehaan> Hi folks. I'm setting up Puppet on RHEL4 and am getting a "read key" error. It appears ca.pem is not being generated. Anybody seen this?
[2009/12/15 11:01:59] <mdehaan> Have the backtrace...
[2009/12/15 11:02:34] <mdehaan> http://puppet.pastebin.com/m53129927
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[2009/12/15 11:06:34] <Phibs> anyone here?
[2009/12/15 11:06:37] <Phibs> or is freenode still gaying up
[2009/12/15 11:06:49] * fzzzt glances around
[2009/12/15 11:06:57] * fzzzt stands perfectly still
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[2009/12/15 11:08:02] <mdehaan> fzzzt, good way to hide from T-Rexes
[2009/12/15 11:08:33] <mdehaan> fzzzt, reductive guys are on PST time
[2009/12/15 11:08:40] <LinuxCode> hmmm I need to loop through interfaces and then make interface_xxx as a variable to evaluate in a if clause in a erb
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[2009/12/15 11:08:48] <mdehaan> though the other 257 :)
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[2009/12/15 11:09:06] <LinuxCode> how on earth does one evaluate a var to make another ?!?
[2009/12/15 11:11:01] <mdehaan> fixed my problem with: /usr/sbin/puppetmasterd --genconfig > /etc/puppet/puppet.conf
[2009/12/15 11:11:05] <mdehaan> might be an RPM problem
[2009/12/15 11:11:09] * mdehaan looks at lutter :)
[2009/12/15 11:11:26] <Volcane> LinuxCode: $foo = "this is another that contains the value of bar: ${bar}" ?
[2009/12/15 11:11:26] <eventi> LinuxCode: ruby must have some eval sort of thig, but what are you trying to do?
[2009/12/15 11:11:34] <Volcane> LinuxCode: or what do you mean?
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[2009/12/15 11:12:24] <Volcane> mdehaan: you've probably now completely broken it :) just putting --genconfig into the file doesnt work
[2009/12/15 11:12:24] <LinuxCode> Volcane, let me fpaste it
[2009/12/15 11:12:25] <mdehaan> why not?
[2009/12/15 11:13:37] <LinuxCode> Volcane, check this out mate
[2009/12/15 11:13:40] <LinuxCode> http://fpaste.org/csKU/
[2009/12/15 11:14:10] <Volcane> LinuxCode: oh in a template
[2009/12/15 11:14:12] <LinuxCode> I basically want to loop through the fact interfaces
[2009/12/15 11:14:24] <Volcane> is it space delimited?
[2009/12/15 11:14:29] <LinuxCode> then loop through all ips by referencing
[2009/12/15 11:14:45] <LinuxCode> I need a variable in a if caluse
[2009/12/15 11:14:59] <LinuxCode> I need to check if something is equal to the ip
[2009/12/15 11:15:11] <fzzzt> Is it possible to make Puppet consider a newer version of a package acceptable and not fail down the dependency tree?
[2009/12/15 11:15:18] <LinuxCode> obtained by the array ;-}
[2009/12/15 11:15:26] <LinuxCode> or arrays
[2009/12/15 11:15:27] <fzzzt> like ensure => 1.0+
[2009/12/15 11:15:31] <fzzzt> afaik there isn't..
[2009/12/15 11:15:46] <joe-mac1> i don't think tehre is a greater than
[2009/12/15 11:15:47] <Volcane> LinuxCode: interfaces.split(",").each do |intf|
[2009/12/15 11:16:03] <Volcane> fzzzt: nope
[2009/12/15 11:16:12] <LinuxCode> Volcane, yeh I got it to get the if bits
[2009/12/15 11:16:17] <eventi> LinuxCode: what Volcane said
[2009/12/15 11:16:26] <LinuxCode> I need to make another var though
[2009/12/15 11:16:28] <LinuxCode> with intf
[2009/12/15 11:16:38] <fzzzt> ok, np, thanks
[2009/12/15 11:16:40] <LinuxCode> interfaces_{intf} or something
[2009/12/15 11:16:55] <Volcane> "interfaces_#{intf}" is right
[2009/12/15 11:17:03] <LinuxCode> hmmm
[2009/12/15 11:17:10] <Volcane> oh wait
[2009/12/15 11:17:13] <Volcane> whats in that var
[2009/12/15 11:17:25] <Volcane> dont u mean ipaddress_eth0 ?
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[2009/12/15 11:17:37] <LinuxCode> yeah ;-D
[2009/12/15 11:18:01] <LinuxCode> unless there is a built in fact to display all ips on the system
[2009/12/15 11:18:02] <Volcane> ah you do :) how does it ipaddress_intf is just one ip though
[2009/12/15 11:18:36] <LinuxCode> that is the issue, when I make up ipaddress_intf
[2009/12/15 11:18:45] <LinuxCode> I need it to be evaluated
[2009/12/15 11:18:51] <LinuxCode> in another loop
[2009/12/15 11:18:58] <Volcane> hold on
[2009/12/15 11:19:14] <LinuxCode> Volcane, let me make some kind of pseudo-code
[2009/12/15 11:19:21] <Volcane> its ok
[2009/12/15 11:19:25] <Volcane> i found a box with many ips
[2009/12/15 11:19:25] <LinuxCode> k
[2009/12/15 11:19:56] <LinuxCode> <% "{ipaddress_#{intf}}".each do |ip| %>
[2009/12/15 11:20:03] <LinuxCode> I thought that migth evaluate
[2009/12/15 11:20:05] <Volcane> yeah but that doesnt work
[2009/12/15 11:20:11] <LinuxCode> yeh it does not hehe
[2009/12/15 11:20:15] <LinuxCode> ;-p
[2009/12/15 11:20:15] <Volcane> cos its ipaddress_eth0 and ipaddress_eth0_1
[2009/12/15 11:20:41] <LinuxCode> I guess I have some of logic error here
[2009/12/15 11:20:46] <LinuxCode> kind*
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[2009/12/15 11:22:47] <Volcane> http://pastie.org/744248
[2009/12/15 11:22:49] <Volcane> there's ruby code to loop it
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[2009/12/15 11:23:11] <Volcane> but pure ruby code not template, but you can see enough there to tell how to do it in a template :)
[2009/12/15 11:23:13] <LinuxCode> Volcane, cheers
[2009/12/15 11:23:13] * LinuxCode looks
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[2009/12/15 11:23:39] <Volcane> your problem would be figuring out if you have a matching ipaddress_??? or not
[2009/12/15 11:23:49] <LinuxCode> ok, so this is a fact
[2009/12/15 11:23:49] <spawnyd> LinuxCode: Your paste includes Merb code (e.g. <%= foo %> ). If you want to evaluate a variable inside a string then you use "#{var}".
[2009/12/15 11:24:19] <LinuxCode> spawnyd, ohh wait, I think I hit the highlighting issue in vim again
[2009/12/15 11:24:43] <LinuxCode> let me try something
[2009/12/15 11:25:13] <spawnyd> LinuxCode: 2 Variable in a string: foo="FOO"; bar="BAR"; "foo is: #{foo}, bar is: #{bar}"
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[2009/12/15 11:27:20] <spawnyd> but you code block in line 3 is not ok because 1. you didn't expand your variable, 2. you forgot the hash e.g. #{myvar} and 3. you can not use "#{var1 #{var2}}" use "#{var1}#{var2}" or var1 + var2 .
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[2009/12/15 11:28:24] <LinuxCode> hmmm
[2009/12/15 11:28:27] <spawnyd> LinuxCode: open up an `irb' then you can try your ruby code very fast and simple.
[2009/12/15 11:29:00] <LinuxCode> spawnyd, I read about an irb
[2009/12/15 11:29:07] <LinuxCode> but have no real clue what it is...
[2009/12/15 11:29:09] <LinuxCode> ;-p
[2009/12/15 11:30:12] <joe-mac1> just like running python with no arguments
[2009/12/15 11:30:20] <joe-mac1> you have to install it separate if you're on debian or ubuntu
[2009/12/15 11:30:25] <joe-mac1> aptitude install python
[2009/12/15 11:30:29] <joe-mac1> urrr
[2009/12/15 11:30:30] <joe-mac1> irb even
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[2009/12/15 11:31:57] <LinuxCode> spawnyd, the issue with "#{var1}#{var2}" is that #{var1} is not a var yet
[2009/12/15 11:32:05] <gpled> so im lookjing at: http://www.windley.com/archives/2008/08/puppet_fun.shtml im trying to understand: before => Exec["create aliases db"]
[2009/12/15 11:32:27] <gpled> is create a class that was built somewhere else?
[2009/12/15 11:32:28] <LinuxCode> [string_#{var2}] <----- is a var
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[2009/12/15 11:32:48] <Volcane> gpled: look just below that file block is a exec block
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[2009/12/15 11:33:01] <Volcane> gpled: it has an alias => option, thats the one, the statement makes sure that the file gets made before the exec
[2009/12/15 11:33:26] <spawnyd> LinuxCode: there is another because you try to use it as an Enumerable or an Array with a code block. This will not work, because you constructed a string.
[2009/12/15 11:33:51] <LinuxCode> spawnyd, so this is impossible to do ?
[2009/12/15 11:33:57] <LinuxCode> in erb ruby code ?
[2009/12/15 11:34:06] <joe-mac1> erb = ruby
[2009/12/15 11:34:08] <spawnyd> LinuxCode: It's surely possible.
[2009/12/15 11:34:14] <joe-mac1> evrything you can do in ruby, you can do in erb
[2009/12/15 11:34:18] * Volcane 's not sure what was wrong with his sample code?
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[2009/12/15 11:35:07] <LinuxCode> Volcane, sorry mate, facts can be called in the erb ?
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[2009/12/15 11:35:23] <LinuxCode> I thought this might be some sort of fact code
[2009/12/15 11:35:29] <Volcane> LinuxCode: well i just showd you how to loop the vars, you'd need to just use the vars on their own
[2009/12/15 11:35:45] * LinuxCode has another look
[2009/12/15 11:35:47] <LinuxCode> sorry
[2009/12/15 11:35:48] <gpled> Volcane: ok, so aliases ties the two, together. I find i need something like this a lot. is that the preferred method, to make a file that does not exist, yet?
[2009/12/15 11:36:11] <Volcane> gpled: yes, you can do it two ways, you can either say before on the file or the exec can require the file, whichever works
[2009/12/15 11:36:17] <Volcane> gpled: end result is the same
[2009/12/15 11:36:20] <Phibs> oh man puppet is fucked
[2009/12/15 11:36:26] <Phibs> it thinks nodes are differnt names when they report
[2009/12/15 11:36:29] <Phibs> its installing shit to the wrong nodes
[2009/12/15 11:36:30] <Phibs> help1
[2009/12/15 11:36:31] <Phibs> !
[2009/12/15 11:36:35] <spawnyd> LinuxCode: write a function that returns a list of ips for a given interface then use the result with your block.
[2009/12/15 11:38:22] <joe-mac1> is this still the interfaces problem? just use .split(',').each to iterate through interfaces...
[2009/12/15 11:38:35] <Volcane> ah now that i am writing it in a template i see what your problem is :)
[2009/12/15 11:38:49] <joe-mac1> Phibs: different names how?
[2009/12/15 11:38:52] <joe-mac1> what version of puppet?
[2009/12/15 11:39:16] <Phibs> diff server names
[2009/12/15 11:39:21] <Phibs> 0.25.1
[2009/12/15 11:39:36] <Phibs> usdohaf
[2009/12/15 11:39:37] <nasrat> what does facter report on the nodes as the hostname
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[2009/12/15 11:39:59] <Phibs> hmm dunno
[2009/12/15 11:40:04] <Phibs> rack is bitching now
[2009/12/15 11:40:44] <Phibs> Dec 15 11:40:27 ops1 puppetmasterd[19026]: Puppet Server (Rack): Internal Server Error: Unhandled Exception: "Host monitor-hq02(172.16.250.53) not authorized to call puppetmaster.getconfig"
[2009/12/15 11:40:47] <Phibs> w t f
[2009/12/15 11:40:50] <Phibs> I have autosign enabled
[2009/12/15 11:41:02] <Volcane> LinuxCode: http://pastie.org/744271
[2009/12/15 11:41:09] <Phibs> I upgraded from webrick to passenger/rack
[2009/12/15 11:41:13] <Phibs> and obviously, things are busted :(
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[2009/12/15 11:42:10] <Phibs> if I rm -rf /var/lib/puppet will it start from scratch?
[2009/12/15 11:42:15] <Phibs> not like it has any state I need
[2009/12/15 11:42:32] <Phibs> or, how do I start from scratch, on the master
[2009/12/15 11:43:24] <Volcane> LinuxCode: the weirdness is obviously that you are trying to construct var names on the fly and eval would be needed which is fugly, lookupvar is an internal puppet function to retrieve vars
[2009/12/15 11:43:26] <fzzzt> that should work, shut it down first if its running
[2009/12/15 11:43:29] <Phibs> kk
[2009/12/15 11:43:42] <fzzzt> maybe /etc/puppet too
[2009/12/15 11:43:48] <Phibs> dun think so
[2009/12/15 11:43:52] <Phibs> thats my configs/modules
[2009/12/15 11:43:54] <gpled> Volcane: im looking around http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/TypeReference#file to read up on "before". not seeing it, can you point me to a doc?
[2009/12/15 11:43:54] <Phibs> I want those ;0
[2009/12/15 11:44:06] <LinuxCode> Volcane, indeed
[2009/12/15 11:44:08] <Volcane> gpled: look at meta parameters top of that file
[2009/12/15 11:44:28] <Volcane> LinuxCode: will that code work that i pasted?
[2009/12/15 11:44:29] <LinuxCode> Volcane, thank you very much again, I should have thought about lookupvar
[2009/12/15 11:44:35] <LinuxCode> Volcane, indeed so
[2009/12/15 11:44:40] <Volcane> neat
[2009/12/15 11:44:45] <LinuxCode> yeah ;-D
[2009/12/15 11:44:53] <LinuxCode> I really appreciate it
[2009/12/15 11:44:59] <gpled> Volcane: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/MetaparameterReference thanks
[2009/12/15 11:44:59] <Phibs> I wanna stab myself :(
[2009/12/15 11:45:08] <LinuxCode> spawnyd, thanks too ;-D
[2009/12/15 11:45:46] <LinuxCode> Volcane, I also didnt think of using notice+ template to check out erbs based on facts
[2009/12/15 11:45:49] <LinuxCode> great idea
[2009/12/15 11:46:04] <Volcane> LinuxCode: http://www.devco.net/archives/2009/08/19/tips_and_tricks_for_puppet_debugging.php :)
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[2009/12/15 11:46:16] <LinuxCode> Volcane, let me look
[2009/12/15 11:46:17] <LinuxCode> ;-}
[2009/12/15 11:46:38] <Volcane> LinuxCode: where u based?
[2009/12/15 11:46:44] <LinuxCode> UK ;-}
[2009/12/15 11:46:47] <LinuxCode> you ?
[2009/12/15 11:46:52] <Volcane> yeah uk is big
[2009/12/15 11:46:55] <Volcane> am in ldn
[2009/12/15 11:47:03] <LinuxCode> ohh! Im in Cardiff
[2009/12/15 11:47:06] <Risar> Some days (most) I really hate Ruby's error handling.
[2009/12/15 11:47:09] <Phibs> hehe
[2009/12/15 11:47:15] <Phibs> ruby makes me wanna choke a bitch
[2009/12/15 11:47:26] <Phibs> but hey, puppet is great )
[2009/12/15 11:47:27] <Phibs> ;)
[2009/12/15 11:47:39] <Volcane> LinuxCode: ah
[2009/12/15 11:47:39] <LinuxCode> Phibs, exactly my dilemma, I love puppet
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[2009/12/15 11:47:45] <Phibs> hehehehe
[2009/12/15 11:47:50] <ashp> sdfjsdjksdsj i am going to stab puppet in the head
[2009/12/15 11:47:51] <LinuxCode> but its still rather limited in terms of functions
[2009/12/15 11:47:53] <Risar> Yep. I however am dorking with dashboard which is new.
[2009/12/15 11:47:58] <LinuxCode> but then maybe we are all too lazy
[2009/12/15 11:47:58] <Volcane> LinuxCode: at the uni ? i know abt a puppet person in cardiff at a uni
[2009/12/15 11:47:59] <Phibs> ashp: stab me, my puppet is borked
[2009/12/15 11:47:59] <ashp> it's done another corrupt write to the database
[2009/12/15 11:48:04] <Phibs> Risar: how is it? working under passenger yet?
[2009/12/15 11:48:06] <jb> dashboard looks awesome.
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[2009/12/15 11:48:09] <ashp> why is puppetmaster incapable of writing to a goddamn database properly
[2009/12/15 11:48:16] <LinuxCode> and want ti to do more than it really was intended to do
[2009/12/15 11:48:18] <LinuxCode> ;-}
[2009/12/15 11:48:25] <ashp> i need to find an updated rails package before I kill myself
[2009/12/15 11:48:32] <LinuxCode> Volcane, no I am no longer at uni
[2009/12/15 11:48:35] <Risar> Last few versions worked perfect. I was going to start digging in, then noticed there was a new version.
[2009/12/15 11:48:46] <Volcane> LinuxCode: k, someone else then :)
[2009/12/15 11:48:47] <LinuxCode> I know some people from Glamorgans uni though
[2009/12/15 11:48:52] <Phibs> ashp: I'm using Enterprise from the passenger people
[2009/12/15 11:48:53] <LinuxCode> yah ;-D
[2009/12/15 11:49:02] <Phibs> Risar: right, do you have it running under mod_passenger?
[2009/12/15 11:49:07] <jb> Risar: does it come with an external node classifier script?
[2009/12/15 11:49:14] <Risar> Updated and now there is something going on with the methods being used to setup the db (namely something appears to be missing/undefined)
[2009/12/15 11:49:22] * Volcane 's after more london puppet users so we can get a group together
[2009/12/15 11:49:24] <Risar> Yes. jb, no Phibs
[2009/12/15 11:49:27] <ashp> Phibs: Using what? :O
[2009/12/15 11:49:43] <Phibs> ashp: http://www.rubyenterpriseedition.com/
[2009/12/15 11:49:50] <jb> k, yeah, i'd want it to run under passenger
[2009/12/15 11:49:56] <Phibs> jb: diiiiitoo
[2009/12/15 11:49:59] <ashp> oh this, don't you have to pay for this?
[2009/12/15 11:50:05] <jb> ashp: no..
[2009/12/15 11:50:06] <Phibs> nope
[2009/12/15 11:50:11] <Phibs> its free like jb's mom
[2009/12/15 11:50:12] <Phibs> woot
[2009/12/15 11:50:14] <LinuxCode> Volcane, if I ever relocate, I will keep that in mind ;-}
[2009/12/15 11:50:17] <jb> :P
[2009/12/15 11:50:19] <Phibs> hehe
[2009/12/15 11:50:22] <ashp> are there rpms of this?
[2009/12/15 11:50:30] <ashp> as i don't want to build stuff by hand :/
[2009/12/15 11:50:37] <Risar> jb - I believe thats on the roadmap.
[2009/12/15 11:50:39] <jb> make your own?
[2009/12/15 11:50:45] <jb> Risar: yep.
[2009/12/15 11:50:51] <Phibs> Risar: indeed
[2009/12/15 11:51:04] <Phibs> ashp: dunno, easy to build by hand...
[2009/12/15 11:51:12] <jb> Risar: also, maybe you could answer this.. when the dashboard receieves a report for a node that has not already been defined in dashboard, will it create the node?
[2009/12/15 11:51:14] <jb> like foreman
[2009/12/15 11:51:16] <Risar> We are talking really early level code - but I havent incurred any issues so far (minus this one - which might be my problem, havent made it that far)
[2009/12/15 11:51:24] <ashp> i wonder if i can just gem update rails or something
[2009/12/15 11:51:30] <ashp> i just want it to be 2.3 not 2.1 that rhel bundles
[2009/12/15 11:51:38] <Volcane> jb: i doubt it, but that would be a wicked feature if it didnt
[2009/12/15 11:51:39] <ashp> but redhat likes to make everything difficult :)
[2009/12/15 11:51:39] <jb> its not in epel?
[2009/12/15 11:51:49] <jb> Volcane: yeah, thats VERY useful for me (in foreman)
[2009/12/15 11:51:53] <ashp> nope, for some reason it's just rubygem-rails-2.1.1-2.el5
[2009/12/15 11:52:18] <jb> Volcane: my system build configures puppet and all, and then starts sending reports to foreman right away.. i then login to foreman and see the node added, and all I do is assign it a class/group/etc
[2009/12/15 11:52:23] <Volcane> ashp: gem2rpm is so trivial to use, you could have been done already had you not winged so much :P
[2009/12/15 11:52:27] <Risar> Do you mean create it in dashboard (ie report it) or in the system itself (ie auto-puppet-node-adding ?) ?
[2009/12/15 11:52:33] <ashp> whoops, gem update rails
[2009/12/15 11:52:36] <ashp> actually updates all your gems
[2009/12/15 11:52:41] <jb> well, just in the dashboard
[2009/12/15 11:52:45] <jb> signing is already taken care of
[2009/12/15 11:52:47] <ashp> i guess i'll uh, see how that works :D
[2009/12/15 11:52:48] <Volcane> jb: yeah I'd have a similar workflow
[2009/12/15 11:52:52] <Risar> It will automatically report on it, and it looks like they are laying the base to auto identify systems.
[2009/12/15 11:53:03] <ashp> Volcane: I used that before but what I didn't know what if RHEL had done weird stuff with their package, you can never tell
[2009/12/15 11:54:27] <jb> rubygem-rails.noarch 2.1.1-2.el5 epel
[2009/12/15 11:54:28] <jb> :/
[2009/12/15 11:54:52] <jb> Risar: so it defines the node within dashboard already?
[2009/12/15 11:55:00] <jb> Risar: if it starts receiving reports for it
[2009/12/15 11:55:31] <jb> then you can go in and assign a group, etc
[2009/12/15 11:56:48] <Risar> Yes - though on my system the class identification was being peculiar (not always saving and other weirdness). The most recent version was supposed to be a bit more fleshed out in that department (hence my desire to check it out).
[2009/12/15 11:56:48] <Phibs> when I start from scratch how do I re-create the puppetmaster's PEM file
[2009/12/15 11:56:50] <ashp> jb: since 0.25.1 I get endless disconnects to the database and other weird errors
[2009/12/15 11:56:57] <ashp> jb: so, uh, good luck with 2.1 :(
[2009/12/15 11:57:15] <Phibs> hmm is 0.25.1 busted? :(
[2009/12/15 11:57:21] <ashp> RHEL needs to man up and provide updated packages torn out of fedora in a testing repo rather than waiting 6 years between updates
[2009/12/15 11:57:27] <ashp> i don't think it's 0.25.1 that's bust
[2009/12/15 11:57:30] <Phibs> ok
[2009/12/15 11:57:31] <ashp> but rhel's ancient goddamn packages
[2009/12/15 11:57:40] <LinuxCode> ashp, ?!!?
[2009/12/15 11:57:46] <Phibs> but srsly, how do I start from scratch, generting the puppetmaster's pem file etc
[2009/12/15 11:57:49] <ashp> LinuxCode: ?
[2009/12/15 11:57:50] <LinuxCode> ashp, care to clarify ?
[2009/12/15 11:57:56] <ashp> clarify which bit? :)
[2009/12/15 11:58:04] <LinuxCode> what are you looking for ?
[2009/12/15 11:58:16] <ashp> A decent, regularly, updated ruby repo
[2009/12/15 11:58:25] <ashp> so that my gems stay updated along with puppet
[2009/12/15 11:58:25] <Phibs> ruby changes every week dude ;)
[2009/12/15 11:58:32] <Phibs> ruby is so immature it hurts
[2009/12/15 11:58:34] <ashp> true, but rails 2.1 was how long ago now?
[2009/12/15 11:58:38] <Phibs> true
[2009/12/15 11:58:42] <ashp> that's why we need a much more updated environment
[2009/12/15 11:58:59] <Phibs> nobody knows how to regen the CA/certs for puppetmaster?
[2009/12/15 11:59:13] <Volcane> Phibs: delete the ssl dir, start the master in webrick mode.
[2009/12/15 11:59:22] <Phibs> oh god
[2009/12/15 11:59:24] <Phibs> :(
[2009/12/15 11:59:31] <Volcane> once only, that regens the certs
[2009/12/15 11:59:32] <Phibs> how do I do that ;)
[2009/12/15 11:59:46] <Volcane> but that will also invalidate all your clients
[2009/12/15 11:59:52] <Phibs> I removed /var/lib/puppet b/c i want to start fresh
[2009/12/15 11:59:58] <Phibs> I removed puppet from all clients too, and /var/lib/puppet on them
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[2009/12/15 12:00:55] <Phibs> ok it did its thang
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[2009/12/15 12:04:39] <Phibs> Dec 15 12:04:33 ops-hq01 puppetd[4377]: Got signed certificate
[2009/12/15 12:04:39] <Phibs> Dec 15 12:04:33 ops-hq01 puppetd[4377]: Starting Puppet client version 0.24.8
[2009/12/15 12:04:39] <Phibs> Dec 15 12:04:34 ops-hq01 puppetd[4377]: Could not call puppetmaster.getconfig: #<RuntimeError: HTTP-Error: 500 Internal Server Error>
[2009/12/15 12:04:39] <Phibs> Dec 15 12:04:34 ops-hq01 puppetd[4377]: Could not retrieve catalog: HTTP-Error: 500 Internal Server Error
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[2009/12/15 12:04:40] <Phibs> what the shit
[2009/12/15 12:04:56] <Phibs> halp :(
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[2009/12/15 12:05:55] <Phibs> http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users/msg/4ca49263268bf546?pli=1
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[2009/12/15 12:05:57] <Phibs> same stuff afaik
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[2009/12/15 12:06:54] <Phibs> http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users/browse_thread/thread/c7e856361c216133
[2009/12/15 12:07:09] <Phibs> he got it working...didn't explain how
[2009/12/15 12:07:10] <Phibs> gr8
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[2009/12/15 12:27:27] <Phibs> Dec 15 12:27:10 opsdb1 puppetd[8425]: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: No format match the given format name or mime-type (b64_zlib_yaml)
[2009/12/15 12:27:29] <Phibs> wow....
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[2009/12/15 12:28:09] <Volcane> Phibs: new client against old server = fail
[2009/12/15 12:28:36] <Phibs> Dec 15 12:27:07 opsdb1 puppetd[8425]: Starting Puppet client version 0.25.1
[2009/12/15 12:28:39] <Phibs> Dec 15 12:27:10 ops1 puppetmasterd[21193]: Starting Puppet server version 0.25.1
[2009/12/15 12:28:40] <Phibs> next/ :)
[2009/12/15 12:29:01] * Volcane 'd say the server is the rc1 or rc2 and the client is release
[2009/12/15 12:29:17] <Phibs> eh?
[2009/12/15 12:29:20] <Phibs> the server was git'd
[2009/12/15 12:29:22] <Phibs> bad?
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[2009/12/15 12:30:58] <beelzebob> This is probably a rails issue, but I'm installing puppet-dashboard, and get "undefined method `success?' for #<Report:0xb6c575e0>" on "rake install" full rake --trace at http://pastie.org/744356
[2009/12/15 12:31:04] <Phibs> ie, replace with: http://reductivelabs.com/downloads/puppet/puppet-0.25.1.tar.gz ?
[2009/12/15 12:31:18] <beelzebob> someone have a hint for me? :)
[2009/12/15 12:31:23] <Volcane> Phibs: what distro?
[2009/12/15 12:31:26] <Phibs> Volcane: centos 5.4
[2009/12/15 12:31:32] <Volcane> Phibs: so why not use packages?
[2009/12/15 12:31:51] <Phibs> I could
[2009/12/15 12:31:56] <Phibs> I'm running under passenger
[2009/12/15 12:31:59] <Phibs> w/ ruby enterprise
[2009/12/15 12:32:05] <Phibs> since centos ruby is 1.8.5
[2009/12/15 12:32:08] <Volcane> ah i guess ree will coplicate
[2009/12/15 12:32:18] <Phibs> centos ruby is old ;(
[2009/12/15 12:32:22] <Phibs> what do I do?
[2009/12/15 12:32:29] <jb> install my packages?
[2009/12/15 12:32:30] <Volcane> works fine, puppet+passenger is a nightmare though
[2009/12/15 12:32:36] <Phibs> hah
[2009/12/15 12:32:39] <jb> why are you not using RPMS?
[2009/12/15 12:32:42] <Phibs> but webrick doesn't scale, so they say
[2009/12/15 12:32:44] <jb> you are making your life more difficult
[2009/12/15 12:32:49] <Phibs> jb: gimie yer shit u ho
[2009/12/15 12:32:55] * Phibs slaps jb w/ a large metal pole
[2009/12/15 12:32:59] <Volcane> Phibs: it doesnt, but till passenger works in a reliable way mongrel is a good choice
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[2009/12/15 12:33:22] <jb> http://tmz.fedorapeople.org/repo/puppet/epel/5/i386/
[2009/12/15 12:33:22] <Phibs> lol
[2009/12/15 12:33:23] <jb> for puppet / facter
[2009/12/15 12:33:23] <Phibs> the site shouldn't recommend passenger ;0
[2009/12/15 12:33:23] <jb> i use passenger fine :)
[2009/12/15 12:33:23] <Phibs> fuq... my life
[2009/12/15 12:33:23] <jb> passenger 2.2.2 though
[2009/12/15 12:33:23] <Phibs> ah
[2009/12/15 12:33:24] <jb> others are known to have issues
[2009/12/15 12:33:31] <Volcane> Phibs: well you shouldnt upgrade production first :P
[2009/12/15 12:33:32] <jb> at least when I installed..
[2009/12/15 12:33:41] <Phibs> Volcane: eh its a POC really
[2009/12/15 12:34:09] <jb> Phibs: http://www.caliban.org/ruby/
[2009/12/15 12:34:13] <jb> for new RPM's
[2009/12/15 12:34:23] <Volcane> Phibs: ah, well as jb says i htink passenger 2.2.2 is the only working thing with puppet 0.25.1
[2009/12/15 12:34:28] <Phibs> hmm
[2009/12/15 12:34:32] <tmz_> And fwiw, 0.25.1 is in epel-testing now as well.
[2009/12/15 12:34:32] <jb> yes, use 2.2.2
[2009/12/15 12:34:32] <Phibs> should I just try passenger 2.2.2 first?
[2009/12/15 12:34:33] <jb> it works :)
[2009/12/15 12:34:36] <Phibs> ok
[2009/12/15 12:34:44] <Phibs> this is why, ruby, makes me wanna choke a baby :)
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[2009/12/15 12:34:58] <jb> gem install -v 2.2.2 passenger
[2009/12/15 12:35:09] <Phibs> okie
[2009/12/15 12:35:12] <Volcane> Phibs: ruby is fine, its the shit people write like passenger that isnt :P
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[2009/12/15 12:35:23] <Phibs> hehehe
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[2009/12/15 12:35:30] <jb> i told you this from the beginning fool :)
[2009/12/15 12:35:42] <Phibs> [root@ops1 tmp]# /usr/local/ruby/bin/gem install -v 2.2.2 passenger
[2009/12/15 12:35:42] <Phibs> Building native extensions. This could take a while...
[2009/12/15 12:35:42] <Phibs> Successfully installed passenger-2.2.2
[2009/12/15 12:35:43] <Phibs> GEMZ!
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[2009/12/15 12:37:15] <rmiller4pi8> so i have pluginsync on with puppet 0.24.8. facter plugins do sync, and they are available in puppet manifests. i wanted them available on the CLI, so i exported FACTERLIB in /etc/profile.d...but the synced facter plugins still don't show up for templates or store with storedconfigs. any ideas?
[2009/12/15 12:38:09] <Phibs> wow
[2009/12/15 12:38:13] <Phibs> it doesn't wanna install fastthread :(
[2009/12/15 12:38:19] <Volcane> rmiller4pi8: afaik you just need to set factpath in [main] and run a recent facter
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[2009/12/15 13:00:02] <reyjrar> http://pastie.org/744392
[2009/12/15 13:00:16] <reyjrar> w/ 0.24.8
[2009/12/15 13:00:27] <reyjrar> require => Package["$perl"]
[2009/12/15 13:00:30] <reyjrar> does not work
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[2009/12/15 13:01:10] <reyjrar> which is inconvenient.
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[2009/12/15 13:01:35] <Volcane> does not work how? why dont anyone think error messages are important?
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[2009/12/15 13:01:50] <reyjrar> Configuration could not be instantiated: Could not find dependency Package[] for
[2009/12/15 13:01:54] <gpled> http://linux-coders.pastebin.com/d3429538f would also like to run exec if transport.db does not exist. if exec is triggered, it makes transport.db
[2009/12/15 13:02:10] <Volcane> reyjrar: so it seems to think your variable is empty
[2009/12/15 13:02:18] <reyjrar> the variable isn't being interpolated..
[2009/12/15 13:02:19] <Volcane> gpled: look at the creates option on exec
[2009/12/15 13:02:32] <gpled> Volcane: k, thanks
[2009/12/15 13:02:42] <reyjrar> Volcane: indeed, but you can see in the paste..
[2009/12/15 13:02:56] <reyjrar> Volcane: it appears to be rather simply set
[2009/12/15 13:04:00] <Volcane> http://pastie.org/744397 works.
[2009/12/15 13:04:01] <reyjrar> this is why I'm rather confused.
[2009/12/15 13:04:02] <gpled> Volcane: should i make another exec section, or try and roll the creates, in the current exec?
[2009/12/15 13:05:03] <Volcane> reyjrar: take out the require and add a few notify statements printing out the value lets see
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[2009/12/15 13:05:42] <Volcane> gpled: exec{foo: creates => bar} will only run foo if bar doesnt exist.
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[2009/12/15 13:09:20] <reyjrar> Volcane: notify gives the same error..
[2009/12/15 13:09:30] <reyjrar> err wait
[2009/12/15 13:09:38] <Volcane> like in my example
[2009/12/15 13:09:42] <Volcane> so u can see the value of the variable
[2009/12/15 13:09:47] <reyjrar> I moved the variable declaration out of the class..
[2009/12/15 13:10:30] <Volcane> so your pastie is incorrect?
[2009/12/15 13:10:33] <gpled> Volcane: danke
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[2009/12/15 13:13:00] <reyjrar> Volcane: If I declare the variable inside of the class definition, then the require => Package[$perl] does not work..
[2009/12/15 13:13:17] <Volcane> reyjrar: did you do what i asked?
[2009/12/15 13:13:46] <reyjrar> Volcane: if I move the variable declaration out of the class { }, then it works.. Yes I did, and with the variable inside the class, simply making your changes yield the Package[] not found error
[2009/12/15 13:14:28] <reyjrar> Volcane: I just went one step further.. in an attempt to diagnose the problem..
[2009/12/15 13:14:49] <Volcane> reyjrar: cant really help without seeing the code and results of what i ask for
[2009/12/15 13:15:07] <Volcane> reyjrar: since obviously it does work as i deonstrated, something you're doing is wrong
[2009/12/15 13:15:09] <reyjrar> didn't think I was being unclear, but one second..
[2009/12/15 13:15:48] <reyjrar> Volcane: http://pastie.org/744417 <- works
[2009/12/15 13:16:14] <fluxdude> reading the page on environments (http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/UsingMultipleEnvironments), it mentions an external node configuration tool. Anyone using such a thing, and if so which one?
[2009/12/15 13:16:17] <Volcane> thats just very wrong though should never just put anything outside classes/nodes
[2009/12/15 13:16:35] <reyjrar> Volcane: http://pastie.org/744420 <- Does not work..
[2009/12/15 13:16:40] <Volcane> fluxdude: theforeman.org
[2009/12/15 13:16:52] <reyjrar> Volcane: Error message: Configuration could not be instantiated: Could not find dependency Package[] for
[2009/12/15 13:17:05] <Volcane> ffs. nevermind
[2009/12/15 13:17:07] <Volcane> i cant help you
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[2009/12/15 13:17:41] <fluxdude> damn foreman, I've just finished deployed replicated cobbler servers
[2009/12/15 13:17:53] <fluxdude> Volcane: err, I mean, thanks for the help Volcane?
[2009/12/15 13:17:55] <fluxdude> Volcane: err, I mean, thanks for the help Volcane!!!
[2009/12/15 13:18:00] <Volcane> reyjrar: i asked you to put in debug messages and show me the output, and u show me the code and not the ooutput, its like pulling teeth
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[2009/12/15 13:18:10] <Volcane> fluxdude: hehe that 'i cant help you' was for reyjrar not you :)
[2009/12/15 13:18:50] <Volcane> fluxdude: you can use foreman without all the pxe/kickstart/dns/dhcp stuff, just as a classifier, else cobbler can also take the role of a external node tool
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[2009/12/15 13:19:58] <reyjrar> Volcane: http://pastie.org/744426 Relevant output from http://pastie.org/744417
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[2009/12/15 13:38:44] <BarnacleBob> my /etc/init.d/nscd script is hanging on every puppet run with every command its trying to send (start/restart/status/stop)
[2009/12/15 13:38:52] <BarnacleBob> the nscd script is trying to write to /dev/console
[2009/12/15 13:38:55] <BarnacleBob> for some reason
[2009/12/15 13:39:00] <BarnacleBob> anyone see this before?
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[2009/12/15 13:39:42] <BarnacleBob> my /etc/init.d/nscd script is hanging on every puppet run with every command its trying to send (start/restart/status/stop)
[2009/12/15 13:39:42] <BarnacleBob> the nscd script is trying to write to /dev/console
[2009/12/15 13:39:42] <BarnacleBob> for some reason
[2009/12/15 13:39:42] <BarnacleBob> anyone see this before?
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[2009/12/15 13:44:53] <Phibs> /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/puppet/ssl/certificate_authority.rb:91:in `autosign_store': uninitialized constant Puppet::Network::AuthStore (NameError)
[2009/12/15 13:44:55] <Phibs> wot I miss :(
[2009/12/15 13:45:26] <Volcane> rm -rf /usr/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/puppet and install from a package
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[2009/12/15 13:50:59] <gpled> want to 1) make config file /etc/aliases 8) if /etc/aliases is refreshed, need to exec "newaliases" and 14) if /etc/aliases.db does not exist, need to exec "newaliases"
[2009/12/15 13:51:03] <gpled> http://linux-coders.pastebin.com/d77bbb978
[2009/12/15 13:51:21] <gpled> dont think puppet likes my double exec { "newaliases":
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[2009/12/15 13:55:08] <Volcane> gpled: http://pastie.org/744467
[2009/12/15 13:56:55] <Phibs> seems passenger 2.2.2 much happier
[2009/12/15 13:56:57] <Volcane> gpled: the key is hte 2nd file operation, it doesnt change the file but it does notify the exec if its not there (it will make a empty file before notifying though)
[2009/12/15 13:57:00] <Phibs> wonder why 2.2.7 is so janked
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[2009/12/15 13:58:39] <gpled> Volcane: so exec("hello": hello can be a command or a var name?
[2009/12/15 13:58:47] <Phibs> heh
[2009/12/15 13:58:51] <Phibs> Volcane: thx for suggestion seems better
[2009/12/15 13:59:07] <Volcane> gpled: you'd put your newaliases there
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[2009/12/15 13:59:45] <Volcane> Phibs: i guess you missed "Note: Passenger versions 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 have known bugs regarding to the SSL environment variables, which make them unsuitable for hosting a puppetmaster. So use either 2.2.2, or 2.2.5." on the wiki page
[2009/12/15 13:59:52] <Phibs> HEHE
[2009/12/15 13:59:57] <Phibs> 2.2.7!
[2009/12/15 13:59:59] <Phibs> ;)
[2009/12/15 14:00:02] <Phibs> coulda been REE too
[2009/12/15 14:00:08] <Phibs> I'm using 1.8.7 from FC9 now
[2009/12/15 14:00:24] <Phibs> either way, 0.25.1 server, 0.25.1 clients, passenger 2.2.2, ruby 1.8.7, happy together
[2009/12/15 14:00:30] <Volcane> no its simple, you just didnt use the version the wiki told u to use, many ppl use it with REE
[2009/12/15 14:00:47] <Phibs> ah ok
[2009/12/15 14:00:53] <Phibs> so REE is fine, passenger is not?
[2009/12/15 14:00:56] <Phibs> (version wise)
[2009/12/15 14:01:02] <Volcane> faster under REE too
[2009/12/15 14:01:07] <Phibs> why don't the fucksticks fix passenger :)
[2009/12/15 14:01:21] <ezekiel> wow, umm
[2009/12/15 14:01:41] <joe-mac1> facepalm
[2009/12/15 14:01:45] <Phibs> how are all releases after 2.2.2 broken?
[2009/12/15 14:02:13] <Volcane> from what i understand the API is a moving target
[2009/12/15 14:02:22] <Volcane> but dont really know hte internals of the problems
[2009/12/15 14:02:28] <Phibs> ah ok
[2009/12/15 14:02:44] <joe-mac1> just use mongrels with a known, widely used load balancer in front
[2009/12/15 14:02:48] <fsweetser> from what I read, puppet was actually misbehaving, but it didn't cause problems until passenger fixed a bug in 2.2.3
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[2009/12/15 14:02:54] <gpled> Volcane: in the example you gave, i could use hello as a label because you also have command => ? (newaliases is a command just to clarify)
[2009/12/15 14:02:57] <Phibs> fsweetser: oh... that makes more sense
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[2009/12/15 14:03:28] <fsweetser> there's a patch floating around to fix 0.25.1 + 0.2.7, I can dig it up if you can't find it
[2009/12/15 14:03:30] <joe-mac1> that way, there are more fucksticks to fix a problem you fnid
[2009/12/15 14:03:41] <Phibs> fsweetser: thanks
[2009/12/15 14:03:41] <Volcane> gpled: yes, i tend to use a exec{"short": command => "long stuff here" } pattern to keep require/notifies/etc readable
[2009/12/15 14:03:47] <Phibs> joe-mac1: lol
[2009/12/15 14:04:01] <Volcane> gpled: also if i later need to change the command i can change the command and not everything that requires/notifies/before the exec
[2009/12/15 14:04:24] <gpled> Volcane: good tip, thanks
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[2009/12/15 14:08:24] <gpled> is it ok to use commas on the last line? i find that if i dont, and add a line, i forget to put the comma at the end of the former last line, and throw errors.
[2009/12/15 14:08:31] <Volcane> its fine
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[2009/12/15 14:11:02] <Volcane> fail
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[2009/12/15 14:22:36] <gpled> request for comments: this works: http://linux-coders.pastebin.com/d54165e22
[2009/12/15 14:25:59] <Phibs> so anyone know why hosts aren't showing up in the log as the right host?
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[2009/12/15 14:28:06] <Phibs> is anyone alive?
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[2009/12/15 14:29:32] <fsweetser> there have been lots of netsplits, so people have probably missed chunks of what you've said
[2009/12/15 14:30:09] <Phibs> yeah haha
[2009/12/15 14:30:25] <Phibs> I reinstalled ev erything w/ proper versions
[2009/12/15 14:30:39] <Phibs> I still have client1 restart puppet client, server thinks it's client5, and client1 gives up
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[2009/12/15 14:31:58] <fsweetser> stale ssl certs?
[2009/12/15 14:32:05] <BarnacleBob> gpled, you don't need those extra file and creates
[2009/12/15 14:32:11] <mgarfias> how do i check to see if a file is managed before managing it?
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[2009/12/15 14:33:41] <BarnacleBob> gpled, http://pastie.org/744534
[2009/12/15 14:34:30] <nico> Volcane: ping me tomorrow to test your fix
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[2009/12/15 14:34:36] <Phibs> Dec 15 14:33:24 atlassian-hq01 puppetd[8519]: Could not request certificate: Retrieved certificate does not match private key; please remove certificate from server and regenerate it with the current key
[2009/12/15 14:34:36] <Phibs> no key w/ this host's name exists on the serve,r I removed it
[2009/12/15 14:34:37] <Phibs> where though?
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[2009/12/15 14:34:40] <Phibs> I rm -rf /var/lib/puppet on the client, rpm -e puppet, yum -y install puppet, start puppet
[2009/12/15 14:34:44] <Phibs> also puppetca --clean'd the cert
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[2009/12/15 14:40:00] <gpled> BarnacleBob: thanks for the feed back. tFile and rFile, thats new to me
[2009/12/15 14:40:12] <BarnacleBob> well
[2009/12/15 14:40:16] <BarnacleBob> they are custom defines i use
[2009/12/15 14:40:28] <BarnacleBob> all they do is wrap a file{ with puppet:/// or template()
[2009/12/15 14:41:11] <gpled> ok, could i just use File in there place?
[2009/12/15 14:41:12] <BarnacleBob> but since the point was that you are using refreshonly for the newaliases exec you do not need creates or a file being present
[2009/12/15 14:41:14] <BarnacleBob> yeah
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[2009/12/15 14:42:21] <gpled> wow, splitting all over the place
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[2009/12/15 14:42:55] <gpled> something going on today?
[2009/12/15 14:43:22] <BarnacleBob> ddos or something?
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[2009/12/15 14:47:57] <gpled> at&t had big outage in our area yesterday
[2009/12/15 14:49:33] <TheAvatar> ddos - there has been a few Global's about it
[2009/12/15 14:53:13] <Phibs> Dec 15 14:51:06 atlassian-hq01 puppetd[9374]: Could not request certificate: Error 500 on SERVER: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <meta name="generator" content="Phusion Passenger">
[2009/12/15 14:53:13] <Phibs> heh
[2009/12/15 14:53:26] <Phibs> wossat mean and how to fix ;0
[2009/12/15 14:53:27] <gpled> http://blog.freenode.net/2009/12/december-15th-ddos/
[2009/12/15 14:55:33] <Phibs> 172.16.255.59 - - [15/Dec/2009:14:55:10 -0500] "GET /production/certificate/ca HTTP/1.1" 500 8306 "-" "-"
[2009/12/15 14:55:34] <BarnacleBob> Phibs, that is apache telling you there is an internal server error. you need to check your passenger config, but unfortunately i don't know passenger well so i can't help you beyond that.
[2009/12/15 14:57:25] <mgarfias> puppet runs under passenger now?
[2009/12/15 14:58:14] <BarnacleBob> yeah
[2009/12/15 14:58:15] <Phibs> what is everyone using for more then 10-20 nodes?
[2009/12/15 14:58:22] <fsweetser> actualyly, if you point a web browser at it, the error message will probably be pretty useful
[2009/12/15 14:58:30] <BarnacleBob> i use mongrel + apache
[2009/12/15 14:58:30] <mgarfias> wow, i'm out of it
[2009/12/15 15:00:10] <mgarfias> mongrel + apache here too
[2009/12/15 15:02:03] <mgarfias> and mongrel + nginx
[2009/12/15 15:02:11] <fsweetser> just switched to passenger here, very happy with it
[2009/12/15 15:02:14] <Phibs> unicorn?
[2009/12/15 15:02:14] <Phibs> mongrel?
[2009/12/15 15:02:14] <Phibs> unicorn seems fastest
[2009/12/15 15:02:30] <Phibs> sposedly
[2009/12/15 15:02:38] <Phibs> but something is very broken w/ my setup
[2009/12/15 15:02:38] <BarnacleBob> i worked for a year and a half at a ruby site where we used mongrel. was a zillion times faster for me to setup mongrel from the distro than screw aroudn with passenger
[2009/12/15 15:02:39] <Phibs> hmm
[2009/12/15 15:02:46] <Phibs> fsweetser: mind showing your configs?
[2009/12/15 15:03:12] <Phibs> and how/where do I install rack?
[2009/12/15 15:04:46] <fsweetser> I pretty much cut and pasted the config from the wiki
[2009/12/15 15:04:48] <Phibs> ah
[2009/12/15 15:04:51] <fsweetser> dead simple to setup
[2009/12/15 15:04:51] <Phibs> what about ack
[2009/12/15 15:04:51] <Phibs> rack
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[2009/12/15 15:09:29] @ Topic is "Puppet 0.25.1 released - http://tinyurl.com/puppet0251 | Log bugs and feature requests at http://tinyurl.com/46ryk7"
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[2009/12/15 15:26:49] <BarnacleBob> how do you specify what port to run on using webbrick in puppet.conf?
[2009/12/15 15:26:56] <BarnacleBob> masterport doesn't set it for puppetmasterd
[2009/12/15 15:27:46] <whack> BarnacleBob: I use --masterport, but I also use mongrel
[2009/12/15 15:28:07] <BarnacleBob> yeah when i put masterport on the command line it works
[2009/12/15 15:28:10] <BarnacleBob> but not in the config file
[2009/12/15 15:28:23] <whack> haven't tried in the config file
[2009/12/15 15:28:35] <BarnacleBob> oh i wonder if init.d is overriding it
[2009/12/15 15:28:35] <whack> pastebin your config?
[2009/12/15 15:28:58] <BarnacleBob> ah yeah stupid ubuntu
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[2009/12/15 15:35:51] <Phibs> did the user type change from 0.24 to 0.25?
[2009/12/15 15:36:04] <Phibs> ensure => "present" is there but it's trying to change the password of a user w/o the user being on the box :(
[2009/12/15 15:37:17] <Phibs> any idears?
[2009/12/15 15:37:35] <BarnacleBob> you sure the user isn't there?
[2009/12/15 15:37:50] <Phibs> grep says its not :)
[2009/12/15 15:37:53] <BarnacleBob> like via ldap or something else
[2009/12/15 15:37:56] <BarnacleBob> try id <user>
[2009/12/15 15:38:03] <Phibs> u sir
[2009/12/15 15:38:07] <Phibs> are a chenius
[2009/12/15 15:38:08] <Phibs> :)
[2009/12/15 15:38:11] <Phibs> I sir, am retgarded
[2009/12/15 15:38:12] <Phibs> hehe
[2009/12/15 15:38:15] <Phibs> forgot I ldap'd this one box
[2009/12/15 15:38:16] <BarnacleBob> lol
[2009/12/15 15:38:24] <Phibs> barnacle bob: 1, phibs: 0
[2009/12/15 15:38:26] <BarnacleBob> bbl lunch
[2009/12/15 15:38:30] <Phibs> thx
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[2009/12/15 15:57:44] <gepetto> ::trac:: Puppet Solaris edited @ http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/PuppetSolaris?version=22
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[2009/12/15 16:09:17] <shenson> is there a way to get at the configuration data in a puppet template? for instance, if I want to know the path to the module that the template is pulled out of?
[2009/12/15 16:13:21] <gpled> can i send parameter to an Exec from a notify?
[2009/12/15 16:15:38] <gpled> shenson: are you configuring puppet with puppet?
[2009/12/15 16:17:31] <shenson> gpled, yes, but only part of the information is in the manifests
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[2009/12/15 16:20:16] <mgarfias> argh
[2009/12/15 16:20:27] <mgarfias> i keep getting "Mounts without paths are not usable Could not describe"
[2009/12/15 16:20:38] <mgarfias> oh wait
[2009/12/15 16:20:47] <mgarfias> cuz this pile of crap installed .24
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[2009/12/15 16:31:47] <BarnacleBob> when is 25.2 out?
[2009/12/15 16:31:52] <BarnacleBob> i need some bug fixing goodness
[2009/12/15 16:33:05] <jb> im waitingn for rowlfe :)
[2009/12/15 16:33:11] <jb> which is 0.26?
[2009/12/15 16:33:57] <BarnacleBob> oooh 25.2 is 15 days late!
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[2009/12/15 16:43:14] * Volcane didnt know there was a schedule
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[2009/12/15 16:44:13] <z00dax> Volcane: dude, so where did this devops lunch get planned and announced for tomorrow ?
[2009/12/15 16:44:38] <Volcane> z00dax: oh we have a few dudes we just mail, u can come along
[2009/12/15 16:44:41] <Volcane> we have extra space
[2009/12/15 16:45:46] <z00dax> i cant come tomorrow, we have a xmas breakfast(!) and in the evening its meeting the GP. so daytime is going to be a bit nose on grinding stone
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[2009/12/15 17:15:39] <gpled> im trying to make a generic config file that needs the nodes domain name and fqdn. i think i should be doing this with a template.erb file. which i have made
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[2009/12/15 17:16:13] <gpled> i dont understand how the template file will get populated with the nodes domain and fqdn
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[2009/12/15 17:16:40] <Volcane> put <%= fqdn %> in the template and it will put the nodes fqdn in
[2009/12/15 17:16:53] <jrojas> anyone get the puppet-dashboard reports to work yet?
[2009/12/15 17:17:22] <gpled> is fqdn a reserve? where can i find more of them?
[2009/12/15 17:17:54] <hggh> gpled: run facter
[2009/12/15 17:17:59] <Volcane> gpled: type facter on a node and it will show u
[2009/12/15 17:18:11] <gpled> k
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[2009/12/15 17:18:38] <gpled> cool, thanks. now it makes sense
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[2009/12/15 17:29:13] <KarlHungus> hrm. when i switched to apache/passenger the puppet node on the puppet master is no longer able to connect
[2009/12/15 17:29:40] <KarlHungus> it gives me Failed to retrieve current state of resource: tlsv1 alert decrypt error Could not retrieve file metadata for puppet://puppet.domain.com
[2009/12/15 17:29:54] <KarlHungus> the puppet server is named themis.domain.com
[2009/12/15 17:30:00] <KarlHungus> with a cname to puppet
[2009/12/15 17:30:16] <KarlHungus> apache shows a CRL error, but isn't very specific
[2009/12/15 17:31:57] <Diranged> if i re-package something ad put it in my own repo… how can i tell puppet to use my package instead of anothe rrepos?
[2009/12/15 17:32:06] <Diranged> can i temporarily disable all repos? or can the package command take a "repo" argument?
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[2009/12/15 17:32:24] <KarlHungus> Diranged: why would you have more than one repo?
[2009/12/15 17:32:35] <Diranged> we have the base centos repos..
[2009/12/15 17:32:52] <Diranged> (as well as our own internal repo)
[2009/12/15 17:33:20] <KarlHungus> if both repos are enabled and you packaged it correctly, then it should update to the newer package
[2009/12/15 17:34:18] <Diranged> its not a newer version … just a repackaged one. + i wouyld hate to have the public repo update their package and me not notice.. and have our package get overwritten
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[2009/12/15 17:34:57] <KarlHungus> thats repo management ;)
[2009/12/15 17:35:06] <KarlHungus> i suggest reposync'ing base locally
[2009/12/15 17:35:16] <jb> uhm, its not uncommon to have more than one repo :)
[2009/12/15 17:35:28] <jb> Diranged: support for disablerepo/enablerepo would fix your need..
[2009/12/15 17:35:32] <KarlHungus> jb: i meant repo server, sorry. =)
[2009/12/15 17:35:33] <jb> but its not in puppet yet
[2009/12/15 17:35:57] <jb> Diranged: http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/2247
[2009/12/15 17:36:06] <jb> Diranged: please "Vote" for the ticket if you want it supported..
[2009/12/15 17:36:21] <jb> because I need that as well :)
[2009/12/15 17:36:22] <KarlHungus> but, when you repackage something, you should increment the release number
[2009/12/15 17:36:45] <KarlHungus> yes, it would be nice
[2009/12/15 17:36:56] <jb> vote vote vote! :)
[2009/12/15 17:37:00] <Diranged> yeah i think im gonna have to just incremebt the package number. i can ensure a specific version # right?
[2009/12/15 17:37:15] <KarlHungus> increment release # and comment at the bottom of the specfile
[2009/12/15 17:37:29] <KarlHungus> then track upstream changes to that package
[2009/12/15 17:37:40] <KarlHungus> so you can merge them in if needed
[2009/12/15 17:37:45] <KarlHungus> its a PITA
[2009/12/15 17:37:54] <jb> yep
[2009/12/15 17:38:33] <BarnacleBob> on all the packages i custom rebuild i just set the version number to like 100.<version>
[2009/12/15 17:38:36] <BarnacleBob> so its always the highest
[2009/12/15 17:38:48] <KarlHungus> BarnacleBob: version, or release?
[2009/12/15 17:38:52] <BarnacleBob> version
[2009/12/15 17:38:58] <KarlHungus> yikes, really?
[2009/12/15 17:38:58] <BarnacleBob> so that new versions don't clobber it either
[2009/12/15 17:39:05] <KarlHungus> that doesn't fsck up your deps?
[2009/12/15 17:39:15] <BarnacleBob> hasn't yet
[2009/12/15 17:39:19] <KarlHungus> it will ;)
[2009/12/15 17:39:36] <KarlHungus> i guess *most* things require >= version number
[2009/12/15 17:39:41] <KarlHungus> but some are =
[2009/12/15 17:39:45] <BarnacleBob> well its better than ensure=>latest changing to a new version that *doens't* have my custom stuff in it
[2009/12/15 17:39:57] <jb> yeh thats bad.
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[2009/12/15 17:40:10] <jb> which reminds me, i need to update some of those
[2009/12/15 17:40:15] <KarlHungus> BarnacleBob: yeah, thats why i have to reposync base myself
[2009/12/15 17:40:32] <BarnacleBob> i use to change the *name* of the packages i was custom doing
[2009/12/15 17:40:35] <KarlHungus> i still need to churn out a script to alert me when things come in that supercede my custom pacakges
[2009/12/15 17:40:40] <BarnacleBob> and then have them provide/and conflict etc
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[2009/12/15 18:01:11] <kaos01> can puppet be run on a client on a reboot
[2009/12/15 18:01:21] <kaos01> so it gets the new configs straigt away
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[2009/12/15 18:02:38] <DmosEmp> kaos01: You could create an init script that runs pupetd
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[2009/12/15 18:03:06] <gpled> kaos01: what distro are you running on?
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[2009/12/15 18:03:40] <KarlHungus> just put puppetd --onetime --no-daemonize into rc.local
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[2009/12/15 18:04:08] <KarlHungus> or whatever your distro equivilant is
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[2009/12/15 18:04:24] <kaos01> cool
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[2009/12/15 18:05:14] <gpled> seems like /sbin/chkconfig puppet on should do the trick
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[2009/12/15 18:05:40] <KarlHungus> gpled: i find that puppetd as a daemon need to be restarted frequently, or it becomes a memeory hog
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[2009/12/15 18:05:55] <KarlHungus> so i cron it out, and run on boot from rc.local
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[2009/12/15 18:06:31] <KarlHungus> but the centos ruby libs are kind of old, so that might be the real problem ;)
[2009/12/15 18:06:41] <DmosEmp> yeah we run puppetd from cron cause hte daemon is shithouse
[2009/12/15 18:06:52] <Volcane> also from cron here
[2009/12/15 18:07:20] <gpled> cant you just restart the service? should not have to reboot the machine
[2009/12/15 18:07:56] <KarlHungus> gpled: i have a bunch of vm's with tight resources. and having to recover 100M of ram a few times a day is not a good thing
[2009/12/15 18:08:38] <KarlHungus> gpled: but yes, you can use cron to restart puppetd periodically also =) seems kind of silly, but whatever floats your boat
[2009/12/15 18:09:05] <DmosEmp> no we don't restart puppetd, we do puppetd --onetime via cron
[2009/12/15 18:09:11] <KarlHungus> same
[2009/12/15 18:09:44] <DmosEmp> at least since 0.25 the puppetmaster don't take 250M of memory each
[2009/12/15 18:09:54] <KarlHungus> heh, yeah
[2009/12/15 18:10:01] <DmosEmp> maybe the puppetd daemon is better now too, but have not tested it
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[2009/12/15 18:22:49] <jrojas> im testing a new 0.25.1 master and client and I keep getting this, "Could not intern from pson: source did not contain any PSON!", common bug?
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[2009/12/15 18:23:53] <KarlHungus> but, i need a beer =)
[2009/12/15 18:23:53] <Volcane> KarlHungus: look at the patch, it rescues on that exception and deals with it
[2009/12/15 18:23:54] <Volcane> KarlHungus: in this case, puppet isnt rescueing the exception and dealing with it
[2009/12/15 18:23:54] <Volcane> KarlHungus: its a patch *to the program* not *the ruby vm*
[2009/12/15 18:23:54] <Volcane> KarlHungus: puppet uses the libraries, the libraries says they got a timeout, puppet doesnt cope with that situation and dies
[2009/12/15 18:23:58] <Volcane> the problem is not th emiddle bit of the sentence, its the last bit
[2009/12/15 18:26:56] <KarlHungus> http://blog.headius.com/2008/02/rubys-threadraise-threadkill-timeoutrb.html
[2009/12/15 18:28:09] <KarlHungus> this seems to suggest that the ruby libs are flawed, and while it can be hacked around it likely doesn't have to be if i had newer libs
[2009/12/15 18:28:31] <KarlHungus> i haven't read the changelogs for ruby yet to determine if this has been resolved on their end
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[2009/12/15 18:29:36] <Volcane> the concept is flawed, java worlds implimented a new paradigm, the effect is potential for weird corruptions
[2009/12/15 18:29:36] <KarlHungus> and this is about the extent of my research on the problem... i simply refactored my manifests so they were interpretted faster on the client
[2009/12/15 18:29:43] <Volcane> however, you'll still get exceptions
[2009/12/15 18:29:47] <Volcane> and you'll still need to catch them
[2009/12/15 18:29:49] <Volcane> which puppet done
[2009/12/15 18:29:51] <Volcane> rinse repeat
[2009/12/15 18:30:02] <Volcane> s/done/dont
[2009/12/15 18:30:10] <KarlHungus> is there a ticket for this?
[2009/12/15 18:30:21] <Volcane> yeah there's a few
[2009/12/15 18:31:02] <Volcane> http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/2661 and http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/2888
[2009/12/15 18:31:58] <Volcane> though if they cover your *exact* set of stack traces who knows, cos effective exception handling in a complex app is difficult and its likely affecting lots of parts of the code
[2009/12/15 18:32:26] <Volcane> not helped by the fact that ruby seems to be a moving target, for example in mcollective it seems on the latest versions of rby the daemon wont exit
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[2009/12/15 18:32:28] <Volcane> because ruby handles "exit" differently later on
[2009/12/15 18:32:41] <Volcane> its a fucking pain in the arse, but its up to the code to handle the exceptions
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[2009/12/15 18:32:59] <KarlHungus> http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/1153 looks more like what i am experiencing
[2009/12/15 18:33:34] <KarlHungus> i need to look at the code then, i knew i would have to get under the hood sooner or later
[2009/12/15 18:33:34] <Volcane> u on 0.24?
[2009/12/15 18:33:37] <KarlHungus> 2.51
[2009/12/15 18:33:41] <KarlHungus> err 0.25.1
[2009/12/15 18:34:07] <Volcane> I'd say make a new one or put your case into #2661
[2009/12/15 18:34:08] <gepetto> Volcane: #2661 is http://projects.reductivelabs.com/issues/show/2661 "Puppet - Bug #2661: puppetd exits if the master is unreachable. - ReductiveLabs.com"
[2009/12/15 18:34:58] <KarlHungus> yeah, its odd because its not unreachable. its like http.rb's connection is left open while the puppet node processes the catalog (or recieves files, which i'm assuming is a second connection) and times out at 120s
[2009/12/15 18:35:13] * KarlHungus is not a ruby guy
[2009/12/15 18:35:37] <KarlHungus> i can roll back my puppet setup and recreate the problem in the lab
[2009/12/15 18:35:43] <ReinH> Yeah, Timeout (which net/http uses) is basically b0rked.
[2009/12/15 18:36:07] <ReinH> But in this case, it's more an issue in the app code with dealing with the failure, etc, afai can tell
[2009/12/15 18:36:26] <KarlHungus> but i need to run now, i'll be around in the morning EST time
[2009/12/15 18:36:26] <Volcane> ReinH: nods, my sentiments too
[2009/12/15 18:36:29] <ReinH> Also, since we aren't threading our connections, we don't really run into the true b0rkedness
[2009/12/15 18:36:43] <ReinH> And it more or less Just Works
[2009/12/15 18:36:46] <KarlHungus> i'll check the scrollback and follow up =)
[2009/12/15 18:36:51] <KarlHungus> take care
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[2009/12/15 21:16:23] <shellac> heyas
[2009/12/15 21:16:40] <shellac> anyone played with dashboard - i'm having a few troubles getting reporting working :(
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[2009/12/15 21:17:12] <BarnacleBob> shellac, what dashboard?
[2009/12/15 21:17:24] <shellac> puppet-dashboard 0.10
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[2009/12/15 21:18:03] <shellac> have copied puppet_dashboard.rb into my libdir on puppetmaster but it doesn't seem to be registering :(
[2009/12/15 21:18:14] <agaffney> I had no idea such a thing existed
[2009/12/15 21:18:20] <agaffney> I'll have to take a look at that at work tomorrow
[2009/12/15 21:18:24] <shellac> it's very new
[2009/12/15 21:18:26] <shellac> and VERY awesome
[2009/12/15 21:18:34] <BarnacleBob> i'm using foreman
[2009/12/15 21:18:39] <BarnacleBob> as i want the end to end management more
[2009/12/15 21:18:44] <shellac> error i'm seeing in puppetmasterd logs is:
[2009/12/15 21:18:44] <shellac> Dec 16 13:10:55 gw01 puppetmasterd[24640]: No report named 'puppet_dashboard'
[2009/12/15 21:18:54] <BarnacleBob> so
[2009/12/15 21:18:58] <BarnacleBob> you don't put it in the libdir
[2009/12/15 21:19:03] <BarnacleBob> you put it under reports
[2009/12/15 21:19:12] <shellac> for some reason the Puppet::Reports::register_report isn't being called
[2009/12/15 21:19:15] <shellac> hrm
[2009/12/15 21:19:16] <BarnacleBob> /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/puppet/reports/foreman.rb
[2009/12/15 21:19:20] <shellac> ah
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[2009/12/15 21:19:29] <shellac> was following the docos
[2009/12/15 21:19:38] <BarnacleBob> well in theory you could put it anywhere
[2009/12/15 21:19:41] <agaffney> http://github.com/reductivelabs/puppet-dashboard/blob/master/README.markdown
[2009/12/15 21:19:44] <BarnacleBob> but know just droping a file in there works
[2009/12/15 21:19:46] <shellac> for those interested
[2009/12/15 21:19:47] <shellac> http://github.com/reductivelabs/puppet-dashboard
[2009/12/15 21:19:49] <agaffney> those installation instructions are quite...bare
[2009/12/15 21:19:57] <shellac> I thought I may be missing something
[2009/12/15 21:20:03] <shellac> have the dashboard running and it looks great
[2009/12/15 21:20:11] <shellac> but yeah struggling with getting the report registered
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[2009/12/15 21:20:26] <BarnacleBob> shellac, just try putting it where i linked and restarting the master
[2009/12/15 21:20:30] <agaffney> ah, the .rb file is for report aggregation
[2009/12/15 21:20:38] <agaffney> the nice thing about foreman is that it can use sqlite
[2009/12/15 21:21:02] <bodepd> the dashboard just uses activerecord.
[2009/12/15 21:21:02] <BarnacleBob> dashboard looks like it can too
[2009/12/15 21:21:04] <BarnacleBob> its just ruby
[2009/12/15 21:21:20] <BarnacleBob> foreman uses active record too
[2009/12/15 21:21:42] <shellac> yeah what i'm expecting is when the clients complete their running puppetmasterd will push the report info to puppet_dashboard
[2009/12/15 21:21:45] <agaffney> I could have sworn I just read that it requires mysql
[2009/12/15 21:21:47] <shellac> as opposed to say store
[2009/12/15 21:21:50] <shellac> yeah it does
[2009/12/15 21:21:54] <shellac> dashboard uses its down DB
[2009/12/15 21:21:56] <agaffney> shellac: that's how I've got foreman setup right now
[2009/12/15 21:21:57] <shellac> err own
[2009/12/15 21:22:09] <agaffney> using foreman's equivelant of that reporting module
[2009/12/15 21:22:12] <shellac> the local db manages all the dashbaord data
[2009/12/15 21:22:27] <agaffney> Note: Puppet Dashboard is configured to use a MySQL database by default. Consult the Rails Guides section on Configuring A Database for information on how to set up a different database.
[2009/12/15 21:22:34] <agaffney> I guess it doesn't *have* to be mysql
[2009/12/15 21:22:35] <agaffney> goodie
[2009/12/15 21:22:39] <shellac> yeah have all that setup ok
[2009/12/15 21:22:46] <shellac> just having a play at the moment here
[2009/12/15 21:22:52] <agaffney> I'll have to look into using an alternate port, since foreman uses 3000 also
[2009/12/15 21:22:58] <agaffney> I'd like to run them side by side to easily compare
[2009/12/15 21:23:05] <shellac> WOOOOO
[2009/12/15 21:23:20] <shellac> dropped the puppet_dashboard.rb in the reports dir and it now works
[2009/12/15 21:23:31] <shellac> many thanks barnacle bob!
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[2009/12/15 21:24:12] <BarnacleBob> agaffney, /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/mongrel_rails start -d -e production -c /opt/foreman --user foreman --group foreman -p 3000 -P log/mongrel.3000.pid -l log/mongrel.3000.log
[2009/12/15 21:24:23] <BarnacleBob> thats an easy way to launch a mongrel specifically
[2009/12/15 21:24:29] <BarnacleBob> ie just change -p
[2009/12/15 21:24:58] <agaffney> I'm not familiar with ruby on rails
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[2009/12/15 21:25:09] <agaffney> I'm just using the 'server' script to run foreman right now
[2009/12/15 21:25:18] <agaffney> I haven't really looked into it
[2009/12/15 21:25:18] <BarnacleBob> yeah that command should work for foreman or dashboard
[2009/12/15 21:25:27] <agaffney> cool
[2009/12/15 21:25:27] <BarnacleBob> just change -c to the root of either
[2009/12/15 21:25:29] <BarnacleBob> and the -p
[2009/12/15 21:25:31] <agaffney> figured
[2009/12/15 21:25:37] <BarnacleBob> long as you have mongrel installed that is
[2009/12/15 21:25:57] <agaffney> if I'm already running foreman, shouldn't I have it?
[2009/12/15 21:26:03] <BarnacleBob> yeah probably
[2009/12/15 21:26:11] <agaffney> good 'nuff
[2009/12/15 21:26:11] <agaffney> thanks
[2009/12/15 21:26:19] <BarnacleBob> np thought it might help :)
[2009/12/15 21:26:44] <agaffney> indeed it will
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[2009/12/15 21:37:29] <ohadlevy> BarnacleBob: are you using the new version of foreman?
[2009/12/15 21:37:45] <ohadlevy> btw: its probably a better idea to run it with passenger
[2009/12/15 21:38:14] <ohadlevy> e.g. if you want ssl
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[2009/12/15 22:45:23] <joe-mac> can somebody look at this error http://www.pastie.org/745174
[2009/12/15 22:45:32] <joe-mac> i just consolidated my stored configs db
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[2009/12/15 22:45:36] <joe-mac> and i get that every couple of hosts
[2009/12/15 22:45:45] <joe-mac> do i need to tweak a setting or something?
[2009/12/15 22:46:47] <ohadlevy> joe-mac: are you using rails 2.1?
[2009/12/15 22:46:57] <joe-mac> idk, hold on
[2009/12/15 22:47:14] <joe-mac> 2.0
[2009/12/15 22:47:35] <ohadlevy> hmm... which version of puppet?
[2009/12/15 22:47:50] <joe-mac> .24.8
[2009/12/15 22:48:17] <ohadlevy> there is a bug with rails 2.1, on 25.1 might also apply to 24.8
[2009/12/15 23:05:13] <joe-mac> yea, looks like it happens when like 5 remote hosts were hitting the db at once for the first time
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